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Rath said:
GameOver22 said:

No, all those references don't really show anything to prove your point. The second link does not support your claim.

"‘Atheism’ means the negation of theism, the denial of the existence of God." This is not a lack of belief.

"Agnostic’ is more contextual than is ‘atheist’, as it can be used in a non-theological way, as when a cosmologist might say that she is agnostic about string theory, neither believing nor disbelieving it." This is the way I have always seen the term used.

Actually, the first link doesn't really support your claim either. They provide seven different definiitons, among them....

"Agnosticism, as a general term in philosophy, is frequently employed to express any conscious attitude of doubt, denial, or disbelief, towards some, or even all, of man's powers of knowing or objects of knowledge."

The problem is, people use the term differently. Its not really right or wrong as you say. It seems there are shades of grey, and philosophers (who are the academics debating these issues) use one definition so they can actually communicate with each other.

Argh, said I wouldn't reply but really wanted to address this quote:

"Agnostic’ is more contextual than is ‘atheist’, as it can be used in a non-theological way, as when a cosmologist might say that she is agnostic about string theory, neither believing nor disbelieving it."

This is the meaning in non-philosophical terms. The term, confusingly, means something different in that context (which is what the quote is pointing out). In the context of religion however, it means the belief that man cannot know whether or not God exists.

That's not the case according to your other link. They clearly tie this conception of agnosticism to philosophy. My main point was that you're trying to provide evidence for a certain definition that is supposedly right, and then cite evidence that uses different definitions......which is kind of problematic.

"(2) Agnosticism, as a general term in philosophy, is frequently employed to express any conscious attitude of doubt, denial, or disbelief, towards some, or even all, of man's powers of knowing or objects of knowledge."

I don't know if you saw my edit to one of my previous posts, but my experience is that philosophers usually use agnostic in this sense.....probably to make discussion easier. Its also a definition you provided in your first post about the dictionary. I'll just leave it at that, and say, people (philosophers included) seem to use the word however they please.....probably out of laziness and inattention more than anything else.