Evidence for the existence of God

[appolose]

Andir said:

appolose said:
Andir "So, I ask any of you. Why does God need preachers? Why does God need churches? Why does God need the 10 Commandments? Why does God need the Bible? Why does God need these tools if he is all powerful and wise? If he really does exist, why does he need to make statues bleed to keep you believing? Why does he need you to believe? Why does he need you to follow his rules in order to have a wonderful afterlife? Are you sure your praying to a higher all loving power, or are you supporting an alien being controlling certain aspects of your life?"

While he certainly doesn't need all those, it has not been said that He does. What has been is that He wants those things, the parts that humans themseves control. Why he does not intervene himself is: (1) He already has (see my post concerning universal knowledge). (2) I would asert that if He did perform the things that he requires of his followers, it would destroy is highest desire, the desire that we have free will. Why that would destroy free will is for another discussion.

Tombi, you say that evolution (evolution, meaning change in descendents or information increase) is on the opposite pole of randomness and chance. This does not work for two reasons: First, natural selection does not necessarily mean the strongest will survive, it means that the strongest have a better chance. Second, random mutation is needed for the other type of evolution. That is a major, major component to the idea. Note that the word there is "random".

Andir: Christian Creationist Theology asserts that there were no design flaws. After the fall (resultant of free will, mind you), then all that happened. On a side note, webbed fingers and toes does not have mean they are for swimming.

Why does he want those things?  What does God need with a starship?  That was the original statement, but you twisted it.  If there is a God, why does he need you to pray to him?  Sorry, why does he "want" these things.  Maybe the one word difference confused you.  What would God want with a church?  Is he so egotistical that he needs (sorry, wants) people to worship him?  If so, why should God get what he wants in exchange for your labor?  Why should you work extra hard so that this one thing can have it's desires, yet you go without?

And while these webs may not be for swimming, but what would you use them for?  Over time, they would get bigger and you'd turn into a bat with a flap of skin to fly?  Either way, the patterns denotes travel.  To get away.  Deformations are Natures way of evolving.  Now, Humans for centuries have been killing off those mutations to maintain what they think is the proper course of nature.

I was not twisting anything. There is a legitimate differnec between want and need. Need means he must, and since God is all-powerful, he wouldn't need. If your wondering why he wants people to worship (read love), you might ask yourself the same question. We ALL want to love and be loved, and so does does God, and that's not egotiscal. And if it were, then God, owner of everything and deserver of praise, would be justified to be so. Concerning the webbed feet, I was trying only to point out that it doesn't mean swimming.