Elementary School Shooting Leaves 27 Dead(20 children)(Shooter son of teacher)

[mrstickball]

mai said:

mrstickball said:

Mai, you're from Russia, right?

Tell me: Why does your government restrict firearm ownership far greater than my country, yet your homicide rate is much higher than my country?

Much higher is x1.5 higher as per last report with trend being down and you're being up, though even that undecisisve given how it's reported over here (including unsuccessful attempts at murder, dead body with undecesive cause of death = one homocide unless proven otherewise etc., hence the skewed data complain from UN expert). It certainly was way higher decade ago, but given the turmoil of the 90s it certainly went down by a huge margin, so I'm surprised how low the rate as of now. Why? The social causes of course. I though I've addressed that in my posts, that there're a lot of other reasons for rates be high or low. And restricts is overestimation, 10% have guns. Hell, I'm a gun owner :D though not an avid one, had it enough in the army.

As I said there're arguments to support contradictory opinions, Sweden and Uruguay -- comparable gun ownership (and it's high), but the latter is way higher in homicide rate, Japan and Malaysia -- comparable gun ownership (very low), the latter is way higher in homicide rates etc.

//Still trying to attack me geographically, aren't you? ;)

Homicides are at a 50 year low in the US:

 

I'm not trying to attack you geographically. I'm trying to get you to understand that guns have no correlation with crime. The report you cited didn't even say they did, either. Just that homicides were performed more often with firearms in America than they were in Europe - but failing to mention if homicides were higher or lower, overall.

And isn't that the whole point of wanting to restrict firearms? That it somehow reduces murders and death? If there is no data that correlates with fewer guns yielding fewer murders, then why restrict the weaponry in the first place?

Please look at my chart a few times. That is the US murder rate. Do you see when it started going down in the mid 2000s after staying steady for a few years? Do you know what happened in the mid-2000s? America allowed assault weapons to be purchased again - yet crime rates have dropped.

Guns do not cause crime. You said yourself that social issues caused Russia's crime rate, and I agree. America has social issues too. They're the root cause of violence in the country, not guns. Guns are just a tool. If an evil person wants to do evil, they will do it, regardless. That is why we must change the person, not the tool.