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Kasz216 on 15 December 2012
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fordy said:
Kasz216 said:


The problem is... YOU don't know what saturation is.  Saturation to any real degree would only happen if everybody scored high on the test.  Do you have any proof that they do?

I do by the way do know... it's a pretty easy thing to find for yourself if you actually want to do some actual research or thinking on it.   I'm just kinda sick of shooting down every irrelevent and alreay disproven idea you have because you don't care to justify anything.

 

And no... there is no difference.   Please look into how scientific journals and debates go.

It's evidence, then counter evidence.

If you have some... feel free...

if not... it's just because your arguement is lacking.  If you'll note practically anytime i debate someone... I tend to actually facts to the table.


In this situation, saturation occurs when students who are able to achieve higher cannot, because of the limits of the scope of the exam. It does not need to have everybody scoring high, but that would certainly assist in the situation had it occured in the 1970 data, simply because there there is not much more rooom for improvement. However that's the ONLY way you're seeing it, and not on the basis that you'r emeasuring student performance based on a limited scope.

Why don't you actually go back and read my previous posts? I've stated numerous claims to back up my position, and all you say is "you have no evidence". You're saying that the scope of the test extends and measures the full performance of a student? You're saying these test results can be measured on a limitless scale? The system that this test is based on is flawed, due to it's scope. Every point I HAVE brought up you've willingly ignored, and ask for further justification. It shows that you're either only finding things out that you didn't take into account before and refuse to admit it, or you STILL have absolutely no grasp of the situation.

What you call facts is actually data yes, but my argument is that it does little to help what you're arguing about, which is student performance. You're providing data that looks at one aspect at this and saying "Well it works here, so it must work everywhere else", not to mention that a limited scope is being used to measure limitless potential.

A claim would be a fact  Like "Such and such percentage of students do this on the CAB."

backing up a position with claims is meanigless if your claims are unsupported.

 

I could come up with 30 claims as for why cocacola is the world's greatest fuel source.  Without any sort of fact to bring them up... they're pointless.  There is actually plenty of data pretaining to the claims your making.  I'd suggest actually doing some actual research on it.  If you care enough to have an opinion you should care enough to have an informed one.  It get's tiring explaining to someone for the 100th time why they aren't a monkey, or why you don't see things going through pokemon style evolutions.