This is why I don't like debating religion

[Immortal]

Alara317 said:

Immortal said:
You have a very limited scope. Religions aren't limited to the specific strain of Christianity you're talking about. Even after this, the arguments people from this specific strain of Christianity make or can make are far more varied than you've considered in the OP. Also, your whole concept of proof and scientific evidence can be rather easily invalidated using many of these. The "science needs faith" argument, unfortunately for you, has a lot of merit when used in the right context.
Nevertheless, you're being a lot less arrogant, condescending and annoying than most atheists. Plus, it looks like you're actually trying to get somewhere rather than blindly mocking religion. So full points for effort!

how am I being limited or narrow? the point I was trying to make is that you shouldn't use religious arguments in soemthing that isn't a religious debate, and explained in 8 steps why they have no place outside of church.  It's all very scientific.  

Based on your asserion that "Science needs faith", I'd posit that you don't really 'get' science or the scientific method.  

Wait, so your point is just that religious people should not use something like the Bible to justify other arguments? Your OP didn't give that impression at all. A lot of it felt like the classic "religion is annoying and illogical" rant. Part of the blame is on me as the reader, I suppose.

And, while I may or may not get science, I'll make the rather bold claim that I do more or less get the scientific method. I'm not sure if I can properly explain it right now, but the general philosophical "everything is subjective and relative" idea supercedes empiricism as a whole. If you really want, I'll expand on this further, but I suspect I won't do a great job of getting my point across.

Mind you, when I say that "science needs faith", I mean that believing that any scientific result is objectively true requires faith. Science in general obviously doesn't need much faith. When you start saying that you're talking about the "truth", however, then you need faith, no matter what you're doing.