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Fifaguy360 on 13 December 2012
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Alara317 said:
Fifaguy360 said:

Elephant in the room...Ok I'll bring it out. I do believe God exists. The video is not that funny considering there are some very compelling arguments for the existence of God. The progression of logic goes like this:

- Either the universe always existed(no beginning, no end) or had a starting point (big bang).

-> You can't have a universe that always existed because you need cause and effect. And also considering we discovered the  point of origin of the universe itself. Something had to establish the concept of space and time and then put something in that space and time to start anything.

-  Then who created 'that something' or what people identify as God?

-> The something must have always existed without beginning nor end due to a simple line of reasoning which I think Socrates came up with: If God A wanted to create the Universe, but needed God B to create him first who needed God C to create him (B) who needed God D to create him (C) to infinity, then God A would never be able to create the universe, but yet the universe exists so I would conclude God A without needing God B existed.

- How do you know it is an intelligence being? The universe is so intricately woven and there are so many dependancies that it would be illogical for such dependancies to come about without intent. I ask myself: Why is my body symmetrical? Why do I conveniently have a thumb facing my fingers to grip objects? Why is my head not where my butt is and my hands in my chest and my eyes on my nipples? Everything is so conveniently placed.

A very old story and forgive me for mentioning it...but if you found a digital camera on a beach you'd never say a tornado came and blew the sand around and miraculously the granuals arranged themselves and became the camera. The camera is too complex and its features are too convenient. The way all its parts just are molded and put together are too precise and they all just fit together.

I was 14 when I conceded as a thinking young adult that God must exist and he must be intelligent to design all this.

I usually have a rule against reading more than 2 paragraphs in a religion debate, and this is precisely why.  I keep hearing these arguments and they don't mean a thing.  Almost every point you made can be casually dismissed with a link to Wikipedia's list of Logical Fallacies, and your one main point can be negated by asking "What made god?"  If you have such strong convictions about your religion and 'the beginning of the universe HAD to be started by something', then you have to ask, if the universe had to have a creator, why doesn't god?  if you're trying to be logical and rational, you have to apply the same logic to your diety as you do all other facets of the argument. 

And therein lies the issue with religion, faith, fundamentalism, and Divinity: No matter how much you want to, you're not really allowed to pick and chose what you want to apply criticism to.  That will never, ever win you a debate and certainly isn't going to sway anyone who doesn't believe in God. 

Your question was answered in my post. I've bolded the portion in my post.