dsgrue3 said:
Okay, that wasn't really relevant to my point. You're late to the party. Maybe read the thread prior or something? Thanks. |
Except you know... your point that he wasn't an atheist.
Hitler was very anti-religion... he thought it was a negative that held back people....
as did Stalin for that matter... and most people in the USSR fueled by marxist settiment.
I wasn't going to bring it up... because such arguements about the value of religion are really really silly even when you look at things from a wide view.... (Chances are we'd be lucky to have 1960's technology right now without religion)...
however
Hitler specifically wanted to eventually put Catholic higher ups in concentration camp to get people to stop believeing it.for example.
While Stalin specifically did kill people to hurt religious belief, and further wanted to.
So in general, your point is fairly wrong. (well unless you want to argue they died because they believed in those religions.... but... i hope you'd see the fallacy in that.)
Nevermind the fact that the crusades largely weren't about religion but the economic realties of warfare at that time which was... "You had to invade people to keep your malcontents busy and getting rich". "If you get invaded you suffer greatly and lose, even if you win the war."
As such, they got everyone together and focused everyone on a target far away with religion as a good excuse. Without it... there would of just been a bunch of bloody nearby wars.
This can be seen by the last few crusades which tended to be against Christians, and christians who believed the same way often... and half the time in places they weren't even supposed to reach.
Largely these threads are funny because there isn't a way to prove god exists... and yet most of the athesits in such threads like this seem to go exagerratingly out of their way to show exactly why they aren't any better then anyone who believes in a religion and shows generally without a doubt that the ugliness of things comes not from a religion, or any idea... but specifically from man's consiousness.
