How to Destroy an Athiests in a argument! (Updated with poll)

[Allfreedom99]

Mnementh said:

Allfreedom99 said:

 

What are laws? They establish a certain process of order. How then can a law that dictates a process of order exist without the intelligence to establish it?

Why should someone establish a rule? Why isn't it part of the universe. Or more to the point: the existance of physical laws lead to the universe we have today. You basically say, that sometimes the laws of the physical world didn't exist. That is needed, so that someone can establish them. It is illogical to assume, that at some point no physical laws existed. Why make such an assumption?

If nothing established the laws of physics then how would they even be laws in the first place? there has to be a catalyst for a law to exist, or else the law would not be able to materialize on its own as a reality.

And you say why isn't the laws just naturally part of the universe? Well then how did the universe get its code to form the way it has in the order that it displays? You say it was physical laws that have always existed. But if all you have are just laws with nothing to materialize then all you have are just laws in a dark void with no purpose, therefore the laws are mute with a lack of any effects. To get what we have today you need laws and something that can materialize.

Laws establish order. Order cannot be created by itself if no intelligent influence exits, or else all you  have is void.