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Jaywood2010 on 12 December 2012
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ethomaz said:

JayWood2010 said:

Is that the numbers?  That seems wrong.  I dont want to look it up, me being lazy.  Anyways assuming you are telling the truth then that is fine but I wouldnt say anything about bundles when Gran Turismo is probably the mot bundled game along with uncharted for PS3.  

Also GT does not sell for 60$ through the majority of its lifespan.  This is why I dont like using Sales2099's method nor do I agree because there is too many unknown variables.  Im just stating that he isnt wrong in what he is asaying either.  I dont agree with either one of you guys to be completely honest.

From the data we know, both comanies has done good for themselves.  Forza has multiple games and GT has multiple games.  If Im correct 4 vs 3.  Side by side I would think GT would come out on top with games sold, but revenue I would think it is rather close but we also cant prove that.  As I said earlier Forza has turned into a quality competitor but GT has the bigger name, but both of you guys should only use things that are absolutely for sure in your arguments.

My math was wrong... 1.2 million... not 2.2 million... sorry.

GT5 sold ~5 million copies at $60 (or near that... some places give $5 deal)... aftet that more ~2 miillion copies at $40 (maybe a little less with deals)... and now ~500k at $20 (1$10 in Black Friday).

You said 3 games because GT PSP and GT5:P? Yeah... this gen three games but the GT5:P and GT5 is just one development... it's the same game released in diferent times of development.

I'm just saying your guys arguments are completely different.  He is talking about profit and the entire gen and you seem to be focusing on games shipped.  We dont know how much Forza has shipped either?  We only know sold. Just like we dont know how much each game has earned in profits.  We also dont know how much DLC has sold etc.  These arguments could go on all day because neither one of you all can prove what you are saying.  That is why I said he isn't entirely wrong because as an IP Forza has sold about as much as GT this gen.  That doesn't diminish how well GT has done, I mean Im sure anybody can see that GT has the bigger brand name.  But it does show that Forza has held its own ground and has become a very popular series. 

We really need to stop talking about bundles on this site.  

EDIT: And no need on apologize, honest mistake :)  But 1.2m is believable.  It may be undertracked by 200-400K though, but that isnt too bad.  Im sure a lot of games on this site is undertracked by a little bit.