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Jaywood2010 on 12 December 2012
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ethomaz said:

JayWood2010 said:

How do we know halo has 500k?  I'm not even sure how much was announced to be shipped for GT5.  But I do want to point out that GT5 has a lot of bundles as well as many different versions of GT5 so it may have a lot of stock laying around.  2.2 mil does sound like a lot though.  

Anyways I just wanted to clear that up because I was not completely sure on the topic.  

As far as Sales2099, what he is saying isnt wrong.  From a business's perspective Forza has been more successful this gen.  I dont like the logic he is using because it seems unfair but he isnt wrong either.  

Anyways this thread has gotten way off track now.  I think most people were just trying to point the OP into the right direction.  Nobody should mention Forza and GT next to each other because that will be a storm of arguments haha

From a business's perspective GT5 give a lot more revenue and profit for Sony than all Forza's combined this gen to Microsoft.

- GT5 (GT5:P included) have a dev cost of $60 million... sold near 15 million units.
- Forza serires have dev cost of 4 games... sold near 15 million units.

You can say the dev cost of four Forza games is below $60 million and I will call bullshit... more the most Forza sales came from Forza 3 with absolute heavly bundles... so no revenue in these cases... Sony refuses to heavy bundle GT5.

About the GT5 sales...

GT5 shipped (PD): 9,180k
GT5 sales (VGC): 7,906k

~2.2 million on shelves

About Halo I will not enter in this question because my point is about Gran Turismo but the MS said Halo reach 50 million sales in the first week of December... VGC show over 50 million sold.


Is that the numbers?  That seems wrong.  I dont want to look it up, me being lazy.  Anyways assuming you are telling the truth then that is fine but I wouldnt say anything about bundles when Gran Turismo is probably the mot bundled game along with uncharted for PS3.  

Also GT does not sell for 60$ through the majority of its lifespan.  This is why I dont like using Sales2099's method nor do I agree because there is too many unknown variables.  Im just stating that he isnt wrong in what he is asaying either.  I dont agree with either one of you guys to be completely honest.

From the data we know, both comanies has done good for themselves.  Forza has multiple games and GT has multiple games.  If Im correct 4 vs 3.  Side by side I would think GT would come out on top with games sold, but revenue I would think it is rather close but we also cant prove that.  As I said earlier Forza has turned into a quality competitor but GT has the bigger name, but both of you guys should only use things that are absolutely for sure in your arguments.