Victory for the Constitution... in Illinois?!

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leatherhat said:

Gun Crime Soars in England Where Guns Are Banned The Government's latest crime figures were condemned as "truly terrible" by the Tories today as it emerged that gun crime in England and Wales soared by 35% last year. Criminals used handguns in 46% more offences, Home Office statistics revealed. Firearms were used in 9,974 recorded crimes in the 12 months to last April, up from 7,362. It was the fourth consecutive year to see a rise and there were more than 2,200 more gun crimes last year than the previous peak in 1993. Figures showed the number of crimes involving handguns had more than doubled since the post-Dunblane massacre ban on the weapons, from 2,636 in 1997-1998 to 5,871.

http://townhall.com/tipsheet/katiepavlich/2012/12/11/gun-crime-soars-in-england-where-guns-are-banned-n1464528

So much for that then. 

Soleron said:

Yes. Morally it's only acceptable to me to use reasonable force, i.e. equal to what they're using on you. So if they're using a gun you can use a gun, but that's the only situation. If they're just stealing stuff your job is to get away, phone the police and call your insurance about what was taken.

Wow, with this kind of mentality its no wonder Pakistani's are able to turn british children into prostitutes. English men have lost their spine. 

You managed to indict and stereotype two nationalities in two sentences. I think this demonstrates the level of reason and maturity in this thread.

And shame on Max King of the Wild for using the Holocaust to prove his argument.