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kn your right about mas market ill agreed, an nintendo really gets that theory, but from where i see it the ps3 20gb version was only 100$ more then the premium version of the xbox360, and its almost the same machien, 20gb, no wireless, and the ps3 included hdmi and bluray, and that version didnt sell well ider, they even stop making that version, and the xbox360 premium sold very well, so i think is wierd. a bad thing for the ps3 is that it has a lot of 360 ports but not many original games, that is something that the have to fix an in a hurry because their game library is pretty sort but now you can do other stuff like plays standar dvd in 1080p upscaling and more.