Phendrana: "You can't claim everybody has pre-existing knowledge of God. Christian theology says they do because Christian theology is Christian. A Christian who follows the Christian religion would believe this to be 100% true because of what they feel from their personal faith. They have a feeling of connectedness to their God that nonbelievers don't have. But this feeling isn't wired into us from birth. It arises from faith itself."
I'm not saying that everyone does have the knowledge, I'm saying that that is the Christian stance. Christianity CLAIMS that all already have this knowledge. I was stating their position in order to clear up the idea that Christianity requires blind assumption for salvation.
Crash Man: "You are asking us to accepting Christian Doctorine as proof that we should accept christian doctrine."
See above.
senseinobaka: "Close. Very Close. However there is more to revelation 20 than just verse 15. Just go back one more verse to Rev. 20:14. Interestingly, we see other things being thrown into the lake of fire. Hades was thrown in, and death. You read that right. DEATH was thrown into the lake of fire. Does this mean that god plans on tormenting death forever? Ofcourse not, thats absurd. Verse 14 goes on to explain that the lake of fire means the second death. Second death means destruction or no longer existing at all. In other words, God intends on destroying satan, death, hades or grave, and satans followers. What you failed to do was show me where God mentions eternal suffering. That idea is nowhere to be found."
Of course, Death could not be tortured forever. But then again, if the lake of fire is total annihilation, then Death could not be destroyed either, since death is merely a physical process in your context. I would postulate that Death as it is refered to here is meaning, therefore, something else. Now, in Revelations 20:10, it says "And the devil... was thrown into the lake of burning sulfur, where the beast and the false prophet had been thrown. They will be tormented day and night for ever and ever. " In Matthew 25:41, concerning the unsaved it states "Depart from me, you who are cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angles." Also, on being called the second death: this does not necessarily imply nonexistence. The first death, physical death, does no mean the non-existence of the body, but the seperation of the spirit and the body. So the second death does not mean the nonexistence of anything, as did neither the first. The second death could even be thought of as (you may be aware of this idea) the spirit's seperation from God himself.
Okami
To lavish praise upon this title, the assumption of a common plateau between player and game must be made. I won't open my unworthy mouth.
