UN Upgrades Palestine to Non-Member Observer State

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the2real4mafol said:

Griffin said:

the2real4mafol said:
This is brilliant news, the sooner Palestine (at it's current borders) become a country, the sooner we should have peace there hopefully. The conflict there just has to stop, it has gone on for too long

The problem is there are no borders.  The UN agreed that Israel has a right to defense and to protect itself from foreign invasion, by doing so gave them the right to adjust the borders to guarantee its survival.  This allows Israel to control any borders that would harm them.

If there was to ever be a Palestine state then they must give up their military power and allow Israel to control all borders, Land, sea and air space for the state.  In accordance with this, Israel would allow land swaps and negotiation of borders.  Jerusalem must also remain in israel control, but allow palestinan police to help control the borders with the palestinian State and to secure Israel from any threats of Sucide bombings or militant activity.

 

What about the current territories of gaza and west bank, aren't they like borders?

But i can understand your point, this situation was never an easy one to solve. We need to please both the jews and arabs, in whatever solution there is to the conflict. But personally i support a two state solution, i don't see any other way 

No.  They aren't borders.  At least not permanent ones.  Gaza and the West Bank are formed from Ceasefire lines... which essentially means nobody agrees where the actual border lies.  

All those "borders" mean is that's where things are supposed to stay until war is redeclared or they work out official borders.

So really, that's the only real crime of the settlments.  Israel is breaking the ceasefire, though then again so is Hamas... which is why the west desperatly robs hamas of it's official status it should hold as head of the Palestine Government.

 

That people pick sides between two countries that are mostly full of self destructive assholes is really kind of sad.

 

Real change won't happen until the Palestinian's democratic wishes are respected.  A good example I think is Hezzbollah.  If you'll note, during the recent skirmish.  They didn't do anything.   Why?  They're essentially the leaders of Lebannon right now.