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JWeinCom on 01 December 2012
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metalmonstar said:

The idea that MK is OPed because Sakurai made him is silly.  Kirby was made by Sakurai and he's been mediocre to bad in all three games.  Dedede is pretty mediocre as well.

MK is not particularly unbalanced in low level play.  If you gave two brand new players Link and MK to play with, I think the results would be about 50/50.  MK's best tools relate to stalling, planking, and his aerials, particularly D/Uair.  I'm a very good Smash Bros player and MK is one of my worst characters because I never put any effort into learning how to play as him.  It's not nearly as simple as "pick up controller and win".  If my life depended on winning a Smash Bros match and I could pick between Ganondorf and MK, I'd pick Ganondorf every time.

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Mk is a little rough for the earliest of players as they will pick up that they can use tornado to frustrate his opponents. Most non competitive players don't play 1vs1. They often play free for all where spamming tornado is nothing more than an annoyance and won't net any real kills. Moderately skilled player will find weakness for the character due to their lack of understanding such as poor kill moves, short range, and light weight.

 

Also Kirby is really good in 64 and he is pretty good in Brawl. Have you seen Chu play it is crazy. Also D3 is pretty good as well. He has a chaingrab that ruins a good bit of the cast. His Back air is amazing. Coney plays D3 with some success. He certainly has fallen out of favor due to some of his weakness such as weight. I am not sure why Metaknight was made so broken. You can look at the frame data and see that he clearly outclasses characters simply from a numbers point of view. I think balancing Metaknight would be more of minor tweaks to hitboxes and frame data rather than anything drastic with the exception of his planking.

Yeah, Kirby is good in 64.  I forgot about that.  In Brawl he's really not that good.  Chu is just really awesome, but a lot of characters have one or two really good players that make them look good.

As for Dedede, he's a character who has really lobsided matchups.  He destroys a lot of the cast with his chaingrab, but unfortunately most of the characters he destroys are in the lower half of the tier list.  He struggles with a lot of higher tier characters.  I haven't kept up on the competitive community for a while, but I think D3 struggles against ICs, MK, and Falco at least.  I think Olimar has an advantage too but I kind of forget.  D3 doesn't have a lot of great matchups against good characters, and I think he'll fall farther in the next tier lists.

As for MK, I think if you added 3 or 4 frames to his DSmash, a few frames to Uair, and reduced Dair's hitboxes, he'd be OK.  It's just a shame Nintendo doesn't have an online system that allows for partches.


Edit @ Chris:  Eh... I'm not like the best Smash player ever, but I'll give my opinions.  I think ZSS is really underrated.  There have been some ZSS players placing really well (Nick Riddle and Salem) showing the potential she has.  Her mid range game is potent and her air game is crazy, and her overall matchups are good.  She's in high tier right now, but I think she's good enough for the top tier with Marth and Pika.

I think Pit is another character that is perhaps a little underrated.  He performs a lot better in Japan than in the US, partially because of their stage list.  I think he has more defensive potential than people have seen. Sheik maybe too.

Other than that, I think the tier list is pretty good now.  I think Olimar is a bit overhyped because a couple of big Olimar players placed really high at tournaments around the time the tier list was created.  I think Diddy and Ice Climbers are better.  Maybe Sheik should be higher.  But overall it's a good list.


BTW I totally wasn't saying that Ganondorf is better than MK.  MK is way way better, but I've actually practiced as Ganondorf and not as MK.  You need to practice to be good as MK, same as any other character.  I've beaten enough crappy MKs to know :p