| ninetailschris said: There a difference between guts and being stubborn you have described the latter. If someone chooses to be stubborn that's there fault because they have the ability to not be. If you believe in fairies no other reason than you believe in them that's not guts that being stubborn or duillusional. You confused the terms around to where your point its pretty incoherent. By the way why did you pretend that "guts" decisions is considered crediable by God? This assumes way to much to give and actually contradictions the whole idea of Christianity. " that we get to choose whether we want to follow him or not. This obviously leaves a lot of room for interpretations: Some think that following God's message (i.e. being a good person to your fellow human beings) is the most important part, others put close- or even equal value in believing that God himself actually does exist, or even that believing that he does exist is a must if you want to enter his kingdom after you have died; given that you have been acknowledged of his existence, of course." I want to focus on this piece real quick. One: What do you mean by get to choose? You mean like make conscience decision? Or God says it ok not believe in him? Two:God's message is to do good but that isn't the most important part. That would be the remember Jesus atonement and that through Jesus we can see salvation. There is more to it but I want to keep it short. Three: more then just believing in God. Four: if you had knowledge of God's existence and you still rejected him that's not called guts that's called being stubborn. I believe you poorly use the word guts. Really nothing left to respond to because most of it is just repeating yourself based incorrect data leaving to a false conclusion. The gut thing is really a point of why would God be angry/doom them based on them doing something wrong based on there current understanding in which I covered with him before. If he saying a guy flat out ignores the evidence because it contradicts what they currently believe than that's being stubborn and is the reason fault as many have overcome this everyday in there lives. If he goes with the latter I have to say cry moar because that's not a good excuse. |
Just to clarify: Do you think I am stubborn just because I am well aware of the concept of God and have been taught about Christianity, yet still don't believe in him? I mean, there is no empirical evidence supporting his existence, so to me it seems like not believing in him is a default position. My guts tells me that there are no supernatural beings, and that it takes empirical evidence or indications for me to believe in something's existence. I would be more stubborn if I defied those feelings and decided to worship God anyway, as I see it.
And it's not like atheists are aware of God's existence yet are stubborn enough to ignore that knowledge. More like they are aware of how God is supposed to be like and don't believe in his existence.
If we link this to the OP, that person seeking the Jewish god would be stubborn if he kept trying to make himself believe that that god existed despite having no faith after all that effort. It is not the other way around.
One: I meant that people are aware of the concept of God and supposedly would be able to choose whether they want to believe in him or not.
Two: Well, all believers have different opinions on that matter.
Three: -''-
Four: How would anyone possibly be aware of God's existence? We don't even have any scientific evidence suggesting that he exist.
"If he saying a guy flat out ignores the evidence because it contradicts what they currently believe than that's being stubborn"
That seems more like a stance that a guy who believes in everything mentioned in the Bible would make.
