Catalonian Independence?

[the2real4mafol]

JEMC said:

the2real4mafol said:

JEMC said:

haxxiy said:

mai said:

And what problem would that solve for Catalonia exactly? Getting rid of Spanish fiscal problems and trying to survive on their own? Not gonna help, unless they want out of eurozone.

They probably wouldn't even be part of the EU since that would require Spain and France voting for it.

That's the biggest problem, and the biggest discussion.

Technically, Catalonia is in Europe because it's part of one of a country that is member of Europe. Would separate from Spain make it go out of Europe? And if the answer is yes, would that mean that also Spain goes out of Europe given that it won't be the same country (both geographically and economically) than it was?

Anyway, neither France or Germany would like it to happen because that would mean a weak Spain, so a weak Euro, and they can't let that happen because it would also hurt them.

I find it funny that it seems to be easy to join the EU, but as soon as you try to leave, you are stopped by the top members (Germany, France mainly) straight away

It's not that Germany doesn't want an independant Catalonia, it is that they don't want a weak Spain, and that's what would happen if the secession happens.

Surely that defeats the point of a union then, as it seems Germany dictates on these things, when it should be up to the actual country or the actual people. If the Catalans want independence, other countries should just let them do it. It should be the same, if a country wants to leave the Eurozone or EU as well. The only way a country like Greece or Spain can fix it's economies is to do itself, being dictated to by Germany isn't solving anything, especially as they are tied by the same currency as well. It's just getting worse and worse, and you can see the anger in people when they riot everyday and start to support fascist parties like golden dawn.