Catalonian Independence?

[Kynes]

JEMC said:

Kynes said:

JEMC said:

Kynes said:

About the last phrase, this is something we can agree on.

On the rest, it seems that the most self government Catalonia has, the bigger the problems are. Ask Scotland, Corsica, Quebec, both parts of Belgium... if they would like to have the self government Catalonia or the Basques have. You have much more self government than any federal country, but there is something left, the judicial power. That's what your politicians want, to control it, and to keep the 4% rule that abides to any company that wants to work with the public sector there. I remember Maragall when he said to Mas "Your problem is called 3%", it seems that he was short by one point.

I know that many regions would like to have our political self government situation, but what about the financial one?

As I said, many people have voted with their wallets in mind, not the flags, and when the Spanish government doesn't give the money they have agreed to, then they are only making the problem worse.

I can remember you something. The last financial pact was proposed by the Catalan government, so I don't think that your regional government has the moral power to ask for a change of the rules whenever they want. I would love a real federal system, where the regions tax their citizens and have to explain why they spend their money in stupidities instead of important things. The financial system we have in Spain is horrible, where the central government has to tax all the citizens, the regions are black holes, and they only ask for more money. All the problems are because Madrid hates us!

Te estás yendo por la tangente.

I was talking about signed and aproved deals that both the central and the regional government accepted, like "L'estatut" where it says that the central government has to make some payments. the problem is that some of those payments haven't been done.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not trying to defence the Generalitat, it has done very, very bad decisions that should be ammended as soon as possible as well as stop spending money on certain things (like the embassies), but that doesn't mean that the central government can violate the agreements they have signed.

Oh. and no, the way I see it, Madrid doesn't hate us. But just let me say that Madrid is not Spain (something that many tend to forget), and that we aren't specially welcomed either.

Remember what happened with Endesa, a company which has Catalonia as their biggest market? How they fought to avoid Gas Natural buying it even though it would still be spanish only to sell it to an italian company? That wasn't hate, it's worse and more stupid: "you" (in general, not to you) just don't like us.

eON offered more money, only that, but you should remember that Gas Natural wanted endesa at most at ~20€ share, and the final offer was over 45 euros share. It's something that any CEO would do, when some company tries to make an hostile takeover, it's your obligation to search for another company that wants to pay more.  Endesa was a private held company, and the government tried to make Pizarro accept the Gas Natural offer, but he did what anyone would do, create value to the shareholders. I can remember you that the Italian company entered in the auction because the Spanish government didn't want a German company controlling Endesa.

The l'estatut can say whatever it wants, as the other estatutos say, but if you add what all the estatutos say they deserve, we have a country that has to provide the regions more than 100% of the income. That's factually impossible, and Mas knows it. We had an incompetent government that made promises to all the regions, promises that are impossible to comply with, and now we have this irresolvable sudoku as Solbes (socialist economy minister) called it.

When I talk about Madrid, I'm only repeating what the politicians there say, everything bad comes from Madrid, everything is Madrid's fault.