Catalonian Independence?

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Kynes said:

Troll_Whisperer said:
To be honest if we (Basques) ever gain independence I'd prefer if we wouldn't join the EU. I think we'd be better off with real independence, our own currency, etc. like Switzerland or Norway.

I also want to say it's sad that the oldest nation, with the oldest language alive in Europe is not allowed to decide what it wants be.

It's funny that you call it the oldest nation to something that has never been a country by itself, and has always belonged to a bigger entity.

It's funny that you don't know the definition of nation. A distinct group of people with its own culture, customs and language is a nation.

 

The Basques existed before states even did, so no, they have not always belonged to a bigger entity, quite the contrary, only since Roman rule.

Even the Spanish constitution (written by the heirs of Franco) recognises the Basques as a 'nationality', which is basically a euphemism for nation.

 

Whatever you say, the truth is that we are a distinct region thtat wants to decide its own future, and it's undemocratic not to allow so. More advanced countries like the UK and Canada seem to have less of a problem with it.

And tbh I care much more about the present than the past, so I think history shouldn't be the focus of discussion but people's desires and needs today.

Face it, there is no good arguments against self-determination and you will always be on the losing side of the argument if you say otherwise, especially in front of an international, non-biased audience.