J_Allard said:
riderz13371 said:
J_Allard said:
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riderz13371 said:
It doesn't annoy me that you use your own money to pay for something. It annoys me that Microsoft is getting away in making you pay for features that should be accessible for free.
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You can't say over and over that you're looking at this from "a gamers perspective" and then throw a fit about a feature that is entirely unrelated to gaming. Furthermore it's a misleading argument to make because I honestly don't know a single person who pays for XBL Gold just so they can watch Netflix. That would be like saying someone pays $80 a month for their cable package so they can watch the weather channel. In reality they probably love ESPN or HBO or Comedy Central and these other channels are just a bonus. You can say they should be accessible for free but MS says otherwise. I believe that given how painfully slow download times are on PSN and how long some installs take, Sony should make automatic updates free for everyone. But they put it behind a subscription to PS+.
I don't mind paying for Live because the infrastructure is far superior to Live, games have more people online playing them, voice quality is better and more people use headsets. Those are things an actual gamer thinks about. And to me those things are worth a few bucks a month. A gamer doesn't think about having to pay to access Netflix.
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So because Sony charges for automatic updates they are considered evil. You don't realize the other benefits you get for subscribing to PS plus such as the instant game collection, exclusive demos/betas and massive discounts. The automatic update is just a little bonus I get.
Also why do ps3 updates only take long for people who rarely use a PS3? I average a 5.6 mb/s download speed on my PS3 when downloading updates/demos etc. Who the hell made up this myth about the PS3 having slow download times? Maybe your parents shouldn't pick up the phone while your dling something cause it seems to me like some of you people are still using a dial up connection.
How is the voice quality better? Voice quality depends on the headset and last time I checked (might be out of date) all xbox consoles come with a headset that most people who aren't willing to spend money on a proper headshet (almost everyone) use and it's complete garbage mic quality. Could you also explain the bold for me. Or was it a typo?
Lastly, do you ever suffer from not being able to find a lobby in games such as CoD or Battlefield on the PS3? Xbox has like what 1m players on CoD at the most? Assume PS3 has 550k-700k. With that amount of players I highly doubt you are irritated waiting literally miliseconds longer.
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Where did my post say they are "evil"? And I realize the other benefits of PS+ just fine. You're telling me there are other benefits to PS+ and automatic updates are just a bonus. Well I can just as easily say there are other benefits of Gold and access to Netflix is just a bonus. Thanks for clearing that up.
Would you mind telling me how you know how often I use my PS3? I have a 75Mb download speed on a fiber connection. And I pay for it in my own home which I bought with my own money. So please, save the whining about connections and petty insults about living at home. Are you 12?
Your reply about voice quality is hilarious because it's the exact opposite of logic and reality. Yes, 360 consoles come with headsets. A vast majority of XBL players are online with the exact same headset. So the voice quality is extremely consistent (and good). On PSN you have the problem of everyone being able to use whatever Bluetooth headset they want because Sony doesn't give you a headset. So while some people might be on very nice $60 headsets, others might be using $10 headsets they found at Walmart. But the quality of the voice chat itself is still inferior. I use an official Sony PS3 headset and most people sound very over-modulated. The biggest issue here for me is that it's just like the PS2... it varies wildly from developer to developer. That's the downside to Sony leaving developers more on their own in the online world than MS does with Live. On Live developers have a standard of quality they are expected to meet. Join in progress, cross game invites, quality voice chat, etc etc. On PSN these features are different title by title.
Regarding game population, it's hilarious that you have to rely on the most popular franchise in the most popular genre to make an excuse. Staying in the FPS genre, how about KZ3? It was not even out a year before the community was dead. Or Motorstorm Pacific Rift. Are the servers even still up? I bought it 6 months after release and the online community was dead. Among other titles.
You seem awfully immature and defensive about a service you admittedly haven't even used in 5 years.
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The reason I use CoD is because I am trying to use a third party game as an example. Almost no third party game has an active community nowadays apart from CoD or Battlefield so it's hard to compare online users. If you have a 75mb fiber connection why are you complaining about the long dl times? It shouldn't take that long to download an update. I mean if I wanted to I could have said Fifa games. The PS3 has a much bigger active community than the xbox and that's because it's catored towards european players whereas North Americans love shooters which is why CoD is more popular on Xbox and which is why games like Killzone don't have a large online community. Still though I can easily find a Killzone 3 match in a matter of seconds. Theres a reason I haven't used it in 5 years. It simply does not appeal to me. PS Plus is more of my thing because I want free games, not the option to talk to people.
