How something can come from nothing

[Roma]

Jay520 said:

Roma said:

1.) the point I'm making is that someone needs to form them in a form of two glasses. this goes to every thing in the universe! nothing can become something without guidance I mean I cant just through a bunch of wood and hope a bookshelf will build its self right?

2.) how I know? well there are prophesies that are coming true yet have been written 1400 years ago. how can I not believe in things predicted to happen in that time frame and in to the future when they are happening everyday?

but this will take a lot of time to explain. I might do that tomorrow if your interested.

3.) well it was not designed to live in that crack but it was designed to grow in dirt so wherever the seed falls and if the circumstances are right then it will grow. so that aria was not for it but because of the dirt it was designed to grow in it managed to do so for a short period. I'm not designed to have parasites on my body but the parasites are designed to jump on any body that they can suck on

4.) how to define a soul... your life, consciousness

1.) Yes, people must create a glass. Yes, some things are created by humans. But there are many more things not created by humans. People do not create planets, water, the sun, etc. so I don't see how this goes to every thing in the universe. Using that one example to explain the universe doesn't work because that one example doesn't make sense for everything else in the universe.

2.) What are these prophesies? Please, tell me.

3.) We're not talking about what the plant was designed to do. We're talking about what the sidewalk was designed to do. The sidewalk was not designed for plants, clearly. Just like the universe was not designed for life. Considering life is just barely hospitable in a very tiny part of the universe and it'll only be hospitable for a very short amount of time.

4.) How does life/consciousness prove God? Just because we cannot explain something today doesn't mean we should just jump and say "God did it!" That just means we don't know currently. There were plenty of things we didn't know in the past. Did that mean God did it? No, it just took us a while to learn more about the universe, ourselves, etc.

1: the point of the matter is even if there is material out there it can't become something on its own without someone putting it together! People can't create planets? you don't say :O. very simple concept that is applied to everything. even if you have materiel out there its just materiel until someone puts it together and forms something out of it!

2: some examples in no particular order.
1: "when the slave gives birth to the master" that means o mother gives birth to her child and that child later becomes like her master ordering her to bring him food, buy him toys e.t.c and you see that happening allot.
2: when homosexuality becomes normal and it is acceptable to marry same sex partners.
3: when the worlds catastrophes increase, like earthquakes, hurricanes, huge forest fires as well as climate change.

3: ok sure but how does that disprove Gods existence?

4: how can you be so sure that God did not make it?

let's just agree to disagree because whatever you through at me will not make any sense since nothing by it's own can decide to become something no matter how many billion years you give it, it will still just be broken glass!