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RoryGamesFree said:
Kasz216 said:
RoryGamesFree said:
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MrBubbles said:

another senior hamas military commander has been killed

 

last i read was like 25 dead 11 civilians 5 of whom are children (source is gaza health officials)


and that is not a massacre you said? how many lives do they have to vanish before we can call it a massacre? every live, every life is important, regardless of their beliefs, nationalities, genders... 

It's collateral damage, which is very unfortunate but something Israel tries to avoid.

A massacre is something entirely different, killing done on purpose.

bullshit they do, it's at least 39 now the death toll, if any other nation did that people would be apauled, but Israel does it...

they also killed over 900 civilians in the last conflict, they make no effort to avoid civilian casualties, none whatsoever, heck at least Hamas admit their (much cruder and doing far less damage/killing far less people) rocket attacks aren't targetted to avoid people (though I suspect this is mainly because unlike Israel they lack the tech to do so)

it's barbaric and depraved that you would try and justify the slaughter of children, Hamas is also an elected government, again if you bombed any other nations government it would be an act of war and such, but again one rule for people the USA don't like, one rule for their satelite terror state in the region...

Israel specifically have dropped pamphlets outlying which buildings to avoid.  The problem is, hamas likes human shileds, havings some kids in important buildings plays well in public opinion battles when they die.

Additionally, if one country fired hundreds of missles at your country a year.... every year....

I'd guess you'd order an attack on their government.

 

This repsonse only came AFTER Israeli citizens were injured and killed.

Yet almost nobody in the thread shows the slightest bit of contempt for the people who provoked the conflict.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Palestinian_rocket_attacks_on_Israel,_2012#January

I have seen a UN report that states that the IDF used human shields ("During the period under examination, the Israeli occupying forces also rounded-up thousands of Palestinian males and approximately 7,000 were detained by Israel in a mass arbitrary detention. Many of the detainees were subjected to ill-treatment and, according to reports, some were tortured. The occupying forces raided and searched innumerable Palestinian homes, humiliated and harassed residents and in many instances looted homes. An even more condemnable practice was the use of Palestinian civilians as human shields while conducting those searches and while carrying out military advances in Palestinian cities, villages and refugee camps."

"Then comes the Israeli military assault on the Jenin refugee camp, one square kilometer in which 13,000 Palestine refugees, who were uprooted from the homes and properties in 1948, had been living. The assault began on 3 April and continued for 10 days. The Israeli occupying forces used helicopter gunships to fire TOW missiles against such a densely populated area. The occupying forces also used anti-aircraft guns, able to fire 3,000 rounds a minute. They deployed scores of tanks and armored vehicles equipped with machine guns and used snipers. The occupying forces also used bulldozers to raze homes and to burrow wide lanes throughout the camp, knocking down whole blocks of homes, in many instances while the inhabitants were still inside. The occupying forces intensively used civilians in the camp as human shields while conducting this military assault."), I have seen 0 evidence that Hamas do, and certainly not in this conflict. they are the democratically elected government...in elections the EU and other observes said were fine and reflected public will...the kids may well be their own because they don't expect other nations to get away with bombing a democraticaly elected government.

in response to being illegally occupied, treated like dirt and being refused access to basic amenietes...if anything it's restrained, Israel had done more than enough to provoke a war by any other nations standards with Gaza decades ago, those rockets also kill people rarely and indeed more Israeli's die of peanut allergy in an average year than the rocket attacks.

 

and AFTER the illegal occupation and stuff I mentioned, oh and after the IDF shot a child and assasinated government officials...

largely because they didn't, they are a crude militia of a military force at best in an occupied and beseiged piece of land that they can't even sustain themselves with thanks to Israel...

If you've seen no proof of it.  All that proves is that you aren't looking.  Since they outright say they intentionally use human shields during Israeli bombings.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RTu-AUE9ycs

 

As for the rest of your statement... these are terrible incidents... and why are they just incidents?   Because it's RARE when Israel has slip ups like this.

Compaired to Hamas where such things are the standard.

You won't find an army anywhere in the world engaged in a conflcit that has a perfect humans rights record because often times the military under the stress fucks up.

 

Also, you've got your cause and effect wrong.

Everything Israel has done has been BECAUSE of the rocket launches.  They came first.

If you want proof....

Look at the West Bank.

Compare the West Bank to Gaza.  

Ask "Why are these two areas so different. If what Israel wants is just to tortue Palestinians"

 

This is a bed of Gaza's own making... What israel is doing  is nothing any other country wouldn't be doing under the same circumstances.

 

It's fine to be calm about it over in the UK.  I'm guessing if your uncle got killed by a missle though, or father, or even child... I think you'd want airstrikes to destroy their missle launching capabilties.   Which is what these attacks are.

I don't think, with your family in the crossfire, you'd want to allow them the freedom to procure more and more missles, and to go for a "1 for 1" policy on air strikes, letting constant missle launching sites be built until enough deaths have been "racked up" to allow you to protect your own people by destroying one of the dozens of launchers aiming to kill your people.

Like some ridciulious beurcratic game of calculus with peoples lives.

 

If anyone needs to look in the mirror when it comes to promoting inhumane activities... it's you.