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Nem on 17 November 2012
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forevercloud3000 said:
Dodece said:
In all this quibbling something important has been lost. Some of you are blaming Square for what transpired when that blame should go to Sony. The exclusivity wasn't just Sony's to lose. Sony did a fantastic job of fucking Square over, and to be frank it takes some real gall to insinuate that Square should have taken it up the ass to satisfy some kind of console fetish all your own. I am sorry but the revisionism taking place in this thread is atrocious.

Square showed real tenacity when it came to maintaining the exclusivity that Sony enjoyed. Square did repeatedly warn Sony about the price of their console prior to launch, and they warned Sony repeatedly after the launch. They even went so far as to threaten Sony not just with the withdrawal of exclusivity, but with the withdrawal of their support in general. They literally fought tooth and nail to keep Final Fantasy as a exclusive franchise. What did you expect them to do exactly. Fall on their sword so that Sony could be successful.

Sony placed its own technological ambitions ahead of their loyal third party developers, and in doing so they not only abused their trust. They were actively causing them financial harm. Sony's overpriced Trojan horse not only stunted the platforms install base, but it actually split the user base. While at the same time escalating the costs of development. Sony didn't just take developers like Square for granted. They were flagrantly exploiting their very loyalty. All so Sony could profit from winning other product wars.

Sony literally screwed the pooch. Square was well within its rights to rescind the exclusivity, and frankly it is still within its rights to do so. To be brutal about it all. They would have been justified if they had decided to throw their full support behind Microsoft or even Nintendo. In a twist of irony you should probably be thanking Square for not abandoning you. Even though you act like they did.

I think there has been more then enough time to lament the passing of this particular era. That said if your still so bitter then do as I suggested. Place the blame on the guys who fucked up what you thought was a good thing. Oh by the way it wasn't just Square that gave Sony the stink eye. There are a slew of developers that did the exact same thing. So the question you have to be asking yourself is this. Which is more likely all of these third parties are run by total player hating dicks, or Sony did something to them that it ought not have done.

What you just described says very little in who is to be "blamed" per-say. Sony's reasoning for using blu-ray, the cell are all valid as a company that has to make themselves stand out and make a profit. What should they have done? Continued using DVD? Use an off the shelf CPU? That would have left them with no advantage against MS's firm position in the tech world as well as their ability to get top notch parts for dirt cheap(seeing as US based companies make most of them....in foreign countries but still). They had to seperate themselves, and there is no crime in doing so.  I am pretty sure many-a- developer tried to talk Nintendo out of doing motion control but sticking to your guns is how you make progress. Yea, the system didn't sell as much as they hoped, especially after the fact they were market leader 2gens in a row but lets not pretend the PS3 sold horribly bad by any standard. The system sold quite well. It only appears bad when you see the consoles in their tentative "positions" in the console war. Plus BluRay is the format of choice now, inclings of next Xbox will also have BluRay. In short....it paid off.

I thought with your stance you would bring up the disagreement Square had with Sony after they released the PS2 slim. Square apparently got pissed at them for for making the HDD a moot point(which was required for FFXI on PS2). Yet it seems a bit crazy to me for SE to get mad at Sony for doing so, when they litterally had that attachment JUST so SE could do FFXI on the system. It was literally the only game that ever used it, and they wanted Sony to base their entire designs around it. It simply comes down to Wada is an incompatent narcisist. Here is why they shouldn't be at odds like they are...

 

  1. Sony saved Square-Enix from the brink of bankruptcy after the Spirits Within fiasco.
  2. There games have done better on Sony consoles than any other system in the past and present.
  3. Square helped Sony gain the cemented foothold they needed in the PS1 era to become defacto Market Leader.
  4. Sony owns a portion of SE stock.
  5. Majority of their fanbase is attached to the Playstation Brand.
After all SE and Sony have been through together, you would think SE could give Sony the  benefit of the doubt with their consoles. Which is super strange because they seemingly have been jumping at the chance to do things with NIN and MS, even at points where their consoles don't show much more promise or strong sales either(IE working on a full JRPG for 3DS before it ever came out while Vita gets no such respect, giving 360 Star Ocean and pretty much every game before ever releasing a PS3 title). WHy this is I cannot say, only that it is pissing off fans of SE big time. And all this time they spend trying to "punish" Sony for whatever, they are hurting their financials as well. Pity.....

 


Oh please... what a Sony pink world you live in. Sony bought some squaresoft stock, thats it. They did not Save them, the merger with Enix did. The company that exists now is called Square-Enix, it owes Sony nothing.

Also the majority of their fanbase in the SNES era would be attached to Nintendo and they still developed several titles for the playstation. This is not about hardware brand loyalty, its about money. The market has changed, its not Sony domination anymore. Companies need to adapt and make money. Get over it or get out.