What can be done with Isreal? Realistically!

[Kasz216]

fordy said:

Kasz216 said:

You keep repeating things that are patenetly false... i'm unsure why this is the case.

Most states who are anti israel (Aka non Europeon) once again didn't change their stances.  They were mostly anti-israel from the start... and it was largely part of one of those Cold War Chess movees nobody should of cared aout but everybody thought would decide the fat of the world.

 

As for Europe... there policies also haven't changed "all together".   Some countries opinions changed before others.

As for what kind of immigrant population is needed to change opinion on Israel?   Not much.  Largely because almost nobody really cares strongly about Israel.  Just a big enough voting population to be notable.

Lets look at the counter example for numbers.

The big supporters of Israel in the US are super rightwing evangelicals right?  It's not like they're a serious part of the population that most people even bother to listen to.  Even most righwing people roll their eyes at evangelicals.   Yet they effect Israel policy.

 

As for Western europe being idiots.  Not sure where you'd get that from... Europe is just playing to it's more invested demographic, due to the majority of the population not really giving a shit and more or less just sick of the situation and mildly impatient.

Yes, you've mentioned the Cold War thing a dozen times. The fact of the matter is that it has no relevance on the matter anymore. The Kremlin is not influencing these state's decisions anymore, and the fact that they're still against Israel could just be coincidental, or from cultural similarities. To say that these states cannot think for themselves in terms of foreign policy is, as I mentioned, insulting.

Now on the stance of Western Europe. Take, for example, a country that has say 2% of western immigrants. By your reasoning above, that would make 2% for Palestine, and 98% who don't give a shit. Would that be enough to constitue a stance of "well we must be for Palestine"? Keep in mind that these countries are still allies to America, despite disagreeing on this.

America itself is a different story altogether. To the outside viewer, there seems to be a lot of "dancing around" the issue. I am not entirely sure why that is. I have been told that it's to keep America's Jewish population happy, and that they have enough numbers to swing an election, but I'm skeptical about that. All that I know is that if ANYONE journalistic in America that raises a slight doubt about Israel's actions, they seem to go through the tar & feather line and never heard from in public again. Quite an interesting stance for a country that champions free speech in order to collect all facets of an argument.

It seems impossible to criticise Israel and NOT be an anti-semite.

Or it's just a matter of paying attention to UN votes and knowing about about the Nonaligned Movement (NAM).  Which is specifically a voting block created to counterbalance the US and vote against basically everything they are for.

 

Though yeah.  Why wouldn't 2% be enough? (a 2% over other highly interested parties anyway). You can't begin to deal with the US until you get elected.

It's not like Europe is calling for vast UN sanctions on Israel or anything, or even denouncing statements in most cases.   Just mild displeasure here or there.  With the biggest noise "coincdentally" coming from the nations with the biggest muslim populations/voting blocks.

Hell, comments now are argueably more pro israel then they were 3 weeks ago.