What can be done with Isreal? Realistically!

[fordy]

Kasz216 said:

fordy said:

Kasz216 said:

Eh, it's less "Fair Share" more "The US supports Israel."

If the US didn't support Israel... like say this exact situation happened elsewhere, practically no country would support Palestine because they would see it as a legitamization of "seperatists".  It's the same reason countries like... Spain don't recognize Kosovo.

Most of the world supports Palsestine because the United States supports Israel, there is in general a large alliance of countries that vote the opposite of the US  on every measure from Israel to global kitten appreciation day.

 

Now Europe.  Europe's backing off of Israel is actually a pretty interesting long term political development that began with a strange marriage of the Europeon Leftwing(more radical aprts) and Muslim Immigrants.  The Leftwing pretty much ignoring some of the more problematic issues from the immigration such as woman's rights for the voter support.

To say that other countries are no longer supporting Israel "because the US does" is a very illogical, ignorant, and borderline insulting stance. To say this is to denounce the foreign policy of said established states, which I seriously doubt would be to just "be against the United States".

Use a bit of Occam's Razor here. Why would Israel, formally in huge support, be losing support? Because the actions they take each time become more and more extreme, and conflict with more foreign policies of said states. To say that states' motive is to be against the US is saying that these states are too stupid to develop any foreign policy.

That's not what Occam's razor is... not even remotely.

The nations I am talking about never widely supported Israel... most in fact mostly recognized Palestine as a country in the late 1980's.

 

Support has really only been slipping in Europe due to political realties on the ground and voting demographics.

Israel's actions even currently as in during this war, are a lot less extreme then back when they had Europeon support are you kidding me?

Look up some of the ridiculious stuff Israel did back when they had full backing unwavering Europeon Support.

The last 6 years or so have been moderate in comparison. 

Occam's Razor is defined as the path that requires the least amount of assuming is most likely the correct one.

Saying that a states' foreign policy is simply defined as a logical NOT operation to America is a VERY outlandish assumption, not to mention the assumption that somehow, Islamic immigration somehow infiltrated leftist idealism. Take the following into account:

 

1. Many states have a foreign policy. It outlays which stance to take in general events that occur within other states and territories throughout the world, in order to reflect that states' values.

2. Support of Israel has been slipping. You seem to support this observation, too. 

3. Palestinian territory is shrinking. The construction of settlements on occupied land further escalates this displacement. Do you disagree with this?

 

The methods Israel used previously MAY have been more brutal, but that's not stopping the fact that there hasn't been any reclamation of territory of Palestine since the 1967 borders, and every coming day is a new record low of total land area. What you're trying to say is "Well it's a slow rate of occupation, which makes it legitimately fine, compared to the times when larger amounts of land were being grabbed at any one time.

We both agree that Israeli support has become lower since statehood was achieved. the reasons as to WHY this is is the source of conflict. My answer involves either a shift in Israeli policies (such as agressive establishment of settlements on Palestinian territory) conflicting with states' foreign policies, or a slow progression of change in foreign policies by said states (the least likely of the two, since it would be HIGHLY coincidental that all states would change their foreign policies at the exact same time). Your answer is a sudden infiltration of Islamic ideals to Western Europe, which in turn causes said states to become anti-American, without any kind of logic or reasoning behind it.

This is EXACTLY what Occam's Razor is about.