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zuvuyeay said:
are we going full circle and ending up with a guy making dab radios in his shed

of course debt is a problem but it's nothing unusual,not making money is the bad thing,it's quite interesting about the old style and japan like europe are the old empires which are retracting and nowhere to go,japan has lost it's electronic empires now,are there still any giant japanese companies kicking arse out there,toyota?

Actually, yes, kind of! Toshiba, believe it or not.

http://www.hoovers.com/company-information/cs/revenue-financial.Toshiba_Corporation.ebe2542309947e1d.html

They're doing reasonably, but they appear to still be pulling out numbers that are in the black. They're obviously not pulling Samsung numbers, but they're coming along well enough. They're definitely not in Panasonic, Sony and Sharp's level of trouble, by any stretch.