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Jay520 said:
Mr Khan said:

Because when they don't... this happens. Asserting opinion as if it is fact is going to derail discourse. Not in any way that is moderatable, but in a way that should be discouraged in order to foster good discussion.

Although this thread is much longer than many we've had recently, so who knows...


What I get from this is that there's nothing necessarily wrong with asserting your opinion without explicitly saying "imo." Rather, it's the reaction that's the problem. This shows me that it's the other people posts who should be discouraged, not the original post. Saying something is wrong because other people can't react respectfully doesn't make sense to me. The other people's actions should be what's wrong.

Now, of course, if he were making several posts and constantly quoting people asserting his opinion, then that should be discouraged. However, he made one post in response to the OP. That one post was met with responses also claiming an opinion as fact. However, unlike Bananaking's post, the responses were often riddled with beliitling and undermining remarks. Those are the posts that should be discouraged, not the original post.

People can have a decent discussion without explicitly typing "imo" as long as they remain respectful. The problem isn't a lack of "imo," the problem is a lack of respect. Disrespect should be discouraged, not the exclusion of "imo." 


I think a major problem here is the confusion of opinion with preference.

I may prefer chocolate to vanilla, but I'm not going to claim the former is superior to the latter.  Such a claim would not be preferential.  In fact, to do so would imply I have an argument for to believe that.  As such, one might inquire as to my argument or begin giving their own counter-argument to that.

 An opinion is a falsifiable belief held by an individual; a preference is a taste.  One cannot really disagree with a person who says they prefer one thing to another ("I don't believe you actually like chocolate over vanilla!"  "...Actually I'm pretty sure I do"), but one can disagree with a person who say one things is better than another.

I think this has been a major problem with this site's community.  Users have often made statements of quality and then equivocated those to be merely matters of preference, thus protecting their argument from refutation.  In Bananaking's case, he initially said that LBP was superior to SMB (which is an arguable opinion, not a preference) and then it was claimed, by him or others, that this was merely an opinion (read: preference), which is that subtle way of protecting an argument.



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