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GameOver22 on 11 November 2012
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KungKras said:
GameOver22 said:
KungKras said:
Jumpin said:

The current major atheist movement led by Hitchens, Dawkins, Harris, and Dennet.

Mostly on the sale of aggressive attacks on straw men they built to represent the viewpoints of religions. 

Hitchens, Dawkins, Dennet and Harris use strawmen? When? Of course you can back that statement up by pointing out the arguments and explaining how and why they are strawmen.

Oh, and when they try to defend scientific integrity in schoolbooks, is that being agressive too?

In terms of Dawkins......have you read the God Delusion? The book is full of nothing but straw. Just for one....his discussion of the trinity. I mean, he could have just read C.S. Lewis for a better representation, and its not like C.S. Lewis even offers the best defense of the trinity.

I've only seen their live debates, so I can't comment on the books. What does he write about the trinity that is so wrong?

I've never watched Dawkins debate. Just to give you an idea....in the God Delusion, Dawkins essentially argues that he won't take part in debates because religious believers are too stupid.....guess he changed tact on this one. Its been a while since I read it (and I don't have the book on me), but if I remember correctly, he argues that the trinity is non-sense because, in the Bible, God talks to Jesus. Dawkins asks how can God talk to himself given that Jesus is God. I think he then argues that this means the story of Jesus talking to God is either a lie or means Jesus is crazy.

In contrast, C.S. Lewis argues that the trinity is better conceptualized as each part of the trinity (Father, son, holy spirit) manifested in a different dimension. Once again, I don't have the book in front of me, but the argument is essentially that God and Jesus are the same person, but they are existing in separate realities. I'm probably not doing the argument justice, but think about yourself in the future travelling back in time and talking to your present self....you could still say you talked to yourself, and you wouldn't be crazy or lying.

Point is, there are much better arguments for the trinity than the one espoused by Dawkins, hence, why people consider it a straw man argument. I'm not saying Lewis is right, but its definitely a better argument than the one presented by Dawkins.