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I think PS4 ( Orbis) will debut at E3 this coming year and will release holiday 2013 about a year from now. I sight recent rumors of ps2 production being shut down. Along with finished dev kits of ps4 in the 2nd quarter of next year. Xbox has had issues with chip failure and the deadline for outsourcing the chip production is up. I say spring 2014 for the next xbox due to there chip processors high failure rate during production. Microsoft will take it's time to get enough of the systems made to keep up with demand. Otherwise we could be seeing the next RROD pandemic.