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cleveland124 said:
CrashMan said:

Proof of the non-existance of a Christian god:

The main issue with a Christian god is all of the classifications christians have given him "Omnipotent, Omnipressent, Perfect, ever lasting"

The problem here is that all these things are inherantly contradictory.  How can a being that is all powerful be classified (or even truely be) anything else.  If something is all powerful, they have the power to do anything, including not existing, not being everywhere, and the power to make mistakes.  If you say "God can't make mistakes" you are limiting his power.  If you say "God can make mistakes" you are saying he is imperfect.

There is one absolute proof of the non-existance of omnipotence that I came up with (at least I have never heard an example otherwise)

If God is all powerful, he has the power to create a person that has absolute free will.  However, upon creating said being, he would not have the power to make that person DO anything without taking his free will away.  If it were possible to take the free will away, the person would not have had absolute free will to begin with.

So it is impossible for omnipotence to exist as it is impossible to force a being with free will to do something it chooses not to.


http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/11251c.htm

While it is true that there are things that God will not do, it's not that he can't do them.  This point has been debated by philosophers and isn't quite a proof for the non-existence of God.


No, a god CAN'T force an absolutely free willed person to do something.  Its not possible.

How do you know that 'god' can do these things but won't? 

and that is NOT what omniopotence is.  Its 'omni' mean all, or in every way, and 'potent' meaning power.  That is a skewed definition to fit what they want it to fit.

Can god make a mistake?
Can god not exist?
Can god not know something?
Can god be absent from any place?

CAN he do these things?



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