| Andir said: See, that's where I disagree with views like yours cleveland124. Any belief without a God figure doesn't mean that spontaneous generation occurred. It could also mean that something or someone did create something in the past, but that being may be dead or is capable of dying. Just as Atheism is a leveling of the playing field. As an Atheist I don't rule out that there may be something in control of us indirectly, but I believe that that being or collection of beings is capable of death and it not infallible as religion would have you believe. And a Godless person is NOT a person without morals. As individuals, we can live without other people, but we can live a better life with people. Morally, if you go around killing other people, you detriment your own life by taking away the collective social environment. This is why, I think, religious people are actually the egotists, assuming that a world without God is a world of chaos because people would not control themselves. Natural selection would weed out the societies that followed chaos and only those intelligent enough to understand that a collective group is stable and healthier would live on. You see this in the animal kingdom with packs, herds, and the like. |
So how did this person thing, that is now dead, come to be before the creation of everything? Spontaneous generation?
I didn't infer that only religous individuals have morals. My point was if you don't start with a religion how can you say anyone is wrong in their beliefs? Assume no God. I go kill person B because I wanted something of his. How can you say this is wrong? If you impose some sort of group theory you could argue that said individual is valuable to the group and thus I shouldn't have killed him. But what if he wasn't valuable to the group. Then maybe it was good that I killed him. Either way, without religion individuals are only held responsible to themselves, not the group.
And you are very wrong if you think natural selection weeds out the morally bankrupt. Are all millionaires moral? Do only the animals that don't attempt to eat their children survive? If Germany would have won (they were close) World War II, would that mean they were moral? Even if you say that they didn't most "great civilizations in the world were extremely immoral, even most around the world would say the same thing about todays US.
