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Rafux on 30 October 2012
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Mr Khan said:
Rafux said:
Mr Khan said:
haxxiy said:
Mr Khan said:

Objectively, there's a good bit of bad filmmaking going on in 1-3. Have you seen the Red Letter Media reviews? It lays out the problems with the movies in a way that's hard to argue against.

RLM dissected it in a way that can applied to almost any fiction work with the same results. I tried it once with great success on Game of Thrones, the first book of A Song of Ice and Fire alongside a friend who's a literature major. We exposed the results to the fans... and they weren't happy at all with us. Except for Phantom Menace, whose plotholes are very hard to overlook, most of the criticism directed at Attack of the Clones and Revenge of the Sith could be explained in-universe or are not problems at all and are fallacious e.g. attacking the straw man, appeal to ridicule etc.

Except the romance of course. It's valid to criticize that one. It was completely crap from the beginning and it felt like to me that Padme found Anakin so hot she pretended his failed flirtation had any effect on her. That's my headcanon at least.

I may have misrepresented myself. I don't agree with Plinkett entirely, just that he makes a solid argument in many cases (from a cinematography standpoint, something i'm not an expert in).

I do agree that some of the plotlines make much more sense when you think about them. I still say that Anakin's turn to the dark side was masterfully executed, even if it looks kind of stupid at first glance.


Masterfully? Palpatine tricked him, Padme dies of sadness (or something), it was never explained why Anakin was called 'Vader'? Anakin chose to trust a Sith Lord over his fellow Jedi who trained him and educated him for years over some dream that may never happen. Masterful?

It was carefully established that Anakin hated losing those that he loved, and episode II showed him that he *had* to take these dreams of loved ones dying seriously (the extra bit being that he didn't cause his mother's death, while he did cause Padme's by following the vision.) Then we had his longstanding frustration with the Jedi council, who had resented him and tried to hold him back from the very beginning (if we call back to the dismissive and downright scornful way especially Mace Windu treated him even back in Episode I). He had a lot of friction with the Jedi, whereas Palpatine, even if he was the Sith, was still Palpatine, who had always been good to Anakin, again from the beginning.

The critical point is the scenario that Sidious set up, where Anakin had to choose between destroying him, his friend who had offered a solution to the problem of his dreams (which he knew to take seriously), or disable Mace Windu. He chose to disable Windu (in the naive hope that some middle solution could be found), but that led to Palpatine killing him, which essentially forced Anakin onto his side, knowing that the Jedi would not forgive him at that point, so the only solution was to put his lot in with the Sith.

Everyone hates losing loved ones I still don't see why he would take that dream so seriously it was only a dream and they live in a world where even Anakin can survive having his limbs cut and beign left burning to death why would he take so serioulsy Padme dying during labor.

 

He acted like a high school brat all the time with the Jedi council but they never betrayed him, hurt him or took his loved ones and one Jedi even saved him from a life of slavery, they did were scared about training him but never acted against him in a harmful way like sending him to a suicide mission and leaving him for dead. Again he made a very, very, very retarded choice.

Even if the Jedi council didn't treat him well thats no reason to go in a killing spree, did Anakin really think he was making the right choice when Palpatine sent him to kill children? Really? Earlier in Revenge of the Sith Palpatine tells him to abandon Obi Wan his friend from so many battles who is incapacitated, that didn't ring any bells about Palpatine's evil to Anakin?

 

He chose to disable Windu (in the naive hope that some middle solution could be found), but that led to Palpatine killing him, which essentially forced Anakin onto his side, knowing that the Jedi would not forgive him at that point, so the only solution was to put his lot in with the Sith.

Like I said Palpatine tricked him with a "solution" (that he really didn't even have) to a problem that never existed in the first place, Padme didn't have cancer or anything Anakin just had a dream, is not like some oracle tell him that and it was never established that Anakin could have visions of the future, even if the visions were true Padme died of sadness anyway not from birth labor or maybe Palpatine put those visions on Anakin which would mean that he tricked him.

He was tricked not seduced by the dark side, for example Ryu from Street Fighter wants to be the strongest in the world, Akuma keeps trying to seduce him to release the "satsui no hadou" but Ryu knows that even though that would make him very powerful it was that same dark energy that transformed Akuma (the murderer of Ryu's master) in what he is now.