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Interesting theory, but i'm atheist so i don't believe in god, which means I owe him nothing! I have what I have because of my family or my actions, a so called god didn't gave me any fortune or misfortune, it's up to me.
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Yours is an interesting theory as well. For if you believe that all you or anyone has is a result of some human action - then where did you and all other humans themselves come from being able to create those actions to obtain stuff? Also, what about things like air and the sun which humans certainly did not create, where did they come from, logically?
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You are right, we didn't create the sun or air or water, but neither did a god, we don't know where they came from, but we are lucky to have them. But I say we get stuff because of our own actions because we control what we do but also our lives are this way because of what people did in the past, people are willing to do things to get wealthier and advance the human race, which is nothing to do with a god. For example, medicine is much better than it ever was before, because people made it better and so more people live.
But i see you like Nintendo, so i'll try to link to that. Say, if Miyamoto or anyone else didn't choose to expand Nintendo into gaming in the 1980's, great games like Mario or Zelda wouldn't of existed. That's my point
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So, you just OK in knowing that things like the sun, air, NATURE exists and really don't care where they came from? Or are you to afraid that if you really thought about it, logically, you're might find that your way viewing the world and where it came from would fall apart?
Your correct that our lives are very depended on what we did in the past - for example, Jesus lived in the past and thus we has Christianity and all of its teachings that we are now debating and affecting our lives even today 
As for Mr. Miyamoto, if you trace his ancestory back to his first orginal father and mother - where do you think they came from? Meanng who were the first Father and Mother on Earth?, logically speaking of course
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I just don't think nature exists because of some god that probably don't exist anyway. It's impossible to know how life started on Earth and not other planets around it, so i just ignore that, nature was around before people or any religion.
Also, is there any proof that a Jesus existed in bethlehem 2000 years ago?
As for the last part, I don't think we could track back to the first humans, but whoever they were they just evolved from another animal species. I just believe in Charles Darwin's "survival of the fittest" theory, where things evolve to fit their environment best over time
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On your second "paragraph" yes there is. First of all, even if jesus didn't exist, then the intricate teachings from the bible have to come from somewhere. That creator of those rather radical ideas of the time was "Jesus". Second of all, The sheer number of texts (both true and fake) mention Jesus's name. To universally come up with the same name at roughly same period of time would be highly improbable in 1st and 2nd century AD, so someone named Jesus was teaching these things around that time. Third of all, there are numerous pieces of historical evidence that even several textbooks accept that Jesus of Nazareth was alive and teaching this stuff around 0 AD. His miracles are still up to debate as it is hard to prove something like produce enough bread to feed 5000 from only a few loaves.
I view the genesis story as a neccesary evil. If we wanted complete "free will", then we needed to eat the fruit of knowledge of good and evil (aka morality). Otherwise, we would be just like dogs, loyal to their master but not making rational choices. He then, punished us to get us to understand that bad things will be punished so that we don't go around commiting evil deeds repeatedly( like serial killers and such).
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Fair enough, but i just don't believe in it. I would have to see such things myself to believe it, it's just hard to tell if jesus and those events happened, or was there just loads of people called jesus around at that time?
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You have a right/choice not to believe. But what if you're wrong and what if you right? Do you care?
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I wouldn't care if people actually found Jesus or the Christian God, but it might actually convince me to be a Christian if they did find him. Hopefully, then it will stop the annoying eveangelicals and Jevoha's witness' knocking on doors, i fucking hate those people! But as of now, I'm a happy non religious person.
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That's fine.
But, because they never found him means he didn’t exist? Do you have to be able to locate ever dead person that ever lived, to confirm whether or not they did lived?
Anyways, the reason you can’t find Jesus is because he is risen and not dead – Christianity 101.
You realise that Christians are among the happiest people in the world right?
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But that's the whole reason i don't believe in it. He could be anyone! I like to think there is a reason to anything, i like to know why. As for your last point, i don't think religion has anything to do with someone's happiness, it's just a coincidence that christians tend to be happy
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no he cannot be anyone, for exaample, go ask the next 100 people you meet to walk on water or bring a dead person back to life. Only Jesus had the power to do that. But i know your response might be that you need to see to believe. Well not really, because people in Jesus' day saw these miracles and didn't believe - they in fact killed him because he did miracles. They also asked for signs and miracles after he had done many miracles, but then Jesus said the only sign you'll get is me dieing and living again - hence no dead body. Furthermore Jesus says that you are more blessed because you haven't seen, but still believe.
Religion has everything to do with happieness, for without basis rules of loving each other which came from God, MAN will destroy himself through hate. Whites killing blacks and the other way around and etc, etc. Men have now come up wit things like basic human right rights, but God and Jesus said many years ago to respect and love one another.
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Ok i'll leave the jesus part for now. But, if religion has anything to do with kindness and happiness, then why did countries use god as an excuse for war then? That goes against any religion, because they think killing is wrong. If people fight, then surely they are not properly religious, since fighting goes against their beliefs. And finally, it wouldn't suprise me if ideas like pacifism originated from religion.
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I agree with you. Jesus said Murder is wrong, so I believe wars are as well. See what Jesus says in Matthew 5 of the Bible (some of which i'm sure you've already heard but not used in the right context):
Murder
21 “You have heard that it was said to the people long ago, ‘You shall not murder, and anyone who murders will be subject to judgment.’ 22 But I tell you that anyone who is angry with a brother or sister will be subject to judgment. Again, anyone who says to a brother or sister, ‘Raca,’ is answerable to the court. And anyone who says, ‘You fool!’ will be in danger of the fire of hell.
23 “Therefore, if you are offering your gift at the altar and there remember that your brother or sister has something against you, 24 leave your gift there in front of the altar. First go and be reconciled to them; then come and offer your gift.
25 “Settle matters quickly with your adversary who is taking you to court. Do it while you are still together on the way, or your adversary may hand you over to the judge, and the judge may hand you over to the officer, and you may be thrown into prison. 26 Truly I tell you, you will not get out until you have paid the last penny.
Eye for Eye
38 “You have heard that it was said, ‘Eye for eye, and tooth for tooth.’ 39 But I tell you, do not resist an evil person. If anyone slaps you on the right cheek, turn to them the other cheek also. 40 And if anyone wants to sue you and take your shirt, hand over your coat as well. 41 If anyone forces you to go one mile, go with them two miles. 42 Give to the one who asks you, and do not turn away from the one who wants to borrow from you.
Love for Enemies
43 “You have heard that it was said, ‘Love your neighbor and hate your enemy.’ 44 But I tell you, love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you, 45 that you may be children of your Father in heaven. He causes his sun to rise on the evil and the good, and sends rain on the righteous and the unrighteous. 46 If you love those who love you, what reward will you get? Are not even the tax collectors doing that? 47 And if you greet only your own people, what are you doing more than others? Do not even pagans do that? 48 Be perfect, therefore, as your heavenly Father is perfect.
