You Don't Necessarily Owe God Anything

[DaRev]

Jay520 said:

DaRev said:

 (1) (1) We are being punished right now, but through repentance and acceptance of God’s son Jesus you can be forgiven of your sins, even before you die. Death signals the end of humans having the ability to REPENT for their sins. God is not incapable of anything, however, he being a just God has set his rules in place and will follow them, because if he doesn’t he will be breaking his own rules. If you read ROMANS 6 in the bible you will see where it says that we should suffer NOW a SPIRITUAL death, before our physical death, so that we can be forgiven for our sins. Again it is your perception of that blinds you. God uses death as something good (yeah I know it sounds strange) since it takes us out of this world of stress, misery, sin and ultimately death – which is a good thin

2)    (2) God didn’t design humans to fail or sin. The point is that with choice comes the ability for humans to sin, but that doesn’t mean that God designed or wants us to sin. Moreover, God knowing our propensity to sin, had a PLAN OF SALVATION through his son Jesus. So God loved us and provided for even before Adam and Eve sined.

3)    (3) See (1) above. Yes, one must come to the acceptance of God before you die to escape his judgment, but God offers you that opportunity now. That is not a limitation on God because he doesn’t forgive you after you die, but that he is a just God that will follow his own rules.

As for God’s parenting vs that of Humans the bible at Isaiah 55:8-9 says:

“For my thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways my ways,” declares the Lord. “As the heavens are higher than the earth,so are my ways higher than your ways and my thoughts than your thoughts.”

 

1.) You are doing nothing to prove that the punishment is fair. Yes, we can repent, and yes, we can be forgiven (only at a certain time though). But that still doesn't negate the fact that the punishment is unfair to begin with. The punishment should have never existed. God designed humans to sin. He shouldn't punish humans for doing something that He designed them to do.

2.) You said earlier that no matter what a human does, they will sin. That means sinning is a part of their inherent nature; it's not something that they choose.  Otherwise, a human would have the ability to choose not to sin (but as you said, humans cannot do so, because they're human). If something is inherent, then it must have been designed by the creator.

3.) God is incapable of forgiving a person who doesn't accept him, period. That shows limitations. It doesn't matter if he created some 'rule' that he must follow, it's still a limitation.

1) Therein lies your problem - you're PERCEPTION is all one sided and biased.

2) Humans also have the innate ability to love and do good, just as they have the innate abolity not to love and to do bad.

3) God is incapable of nothing - but he wouldn't force you to love him. If God goes around greaking his own rules then that certainly is not a good thing. Plus, we chose not to love him, death is only the end of any ability to make that choice. For example, do you love God, Yes or No?