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DélioPT on 28 October 2012
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Jay520 said:
DaRev said:


2) You got a limited view of God's PLAN OF SALVATION. You're only focusing on the punishment. It like a child being tought it the rights and wrongs of life, and when scolded because they chose wrong, decides their parent doesn't love them because they were punished. The fact of punishment doesn't mean that a parent or teacher or God doesn't love you. Punishment is PART of the solution that brings you to realization of whether something is wrong or right.


There are two stark differences between a parent's punishment and God's punishment.

1.) A parent's punishment is temporary and is meant to discourage future bad behavior. After an effective punishment session, a child leaves a better person and can make the world a better place perhaps by helping others. God's punishment is eternal and does not allow the person to ever learn a lesson. Apparently God is incapable of forgiveness after you die. God's punishment brings you to no salvation. Even if you reach a realization after your punishment, then it doesn't matter - you'll be punished forever. On the other hand, if you come to a realization after your parent's punishment, then s/he will likely discontinue the punishment. Why doesn't God do the same for changed people?

2.) God punishes people for things that He designed them to do - sin. We've already agreed that sin is intrinsically associated with humans; since they cannot live without God and without sin. Since Humans didn't design their inherent nature, the creator must be God. This means that God is designing humans for doing what He made them do. No competent parent would punish a child for doing something that they influenced the child to do. Why can't God do the same.

3.) There's a major limitation in God's power. It seems that once you die, if you haven't accepted God, then God is incapable of forgiving you. He completely lacks the ability to forgive you. He can't even forgive you if you've changed your ways after Hell.

Also, I find it funny that you compare God's PLAN OF SALVATION to the parenting strategies of humans. What's even funnier is the fact that God's plan seems inferior.

God`s punishment is also temporary... when you are alive. And not only purifies sins but also shows that what you have done something wrong.
In life, you have every chance to change. Every chance to repent and suffer the consequences in this life.
And there is nothing that God won`t forgive. Nothing at all.

God didn`t design people to sin or be saints. He made us in His image: to be good - isn`t that what is best about us? But He also gaves the ability to choose something over Him. How would you feel if you had to risk losing someone for the sake of letting that someone find their own path and hopefully not only love you back but to save themselves?

God is not incapable of forgiving. Punishment is Justice. God doesn`t stop loving you, you were the one who decided you didn`t want Him. And God, respecting that, gives exactly what you wanted. If Jesus died for every single one of us, you can be sure that everyone of us is loved by Him.
All the things He showed us to be good or bad, all the warnings, Jesus, all the apparitions and miracles, aren`t hollow, they are a sign of His love.
If you really want to know if God is read the Bible carefully and listen to what He said, when He said it. If you want proof that He is still around, check for marian apparitions, as not all apparitions are reflections on walls or windows.