You Don't Necessarily Owe God Anything

[DaRev]

Jay520 said:

DaRev said:

The mistakes of Adam and Eve, I believe, are a representation of all of us. Meaning that if either of us were the first humans on earth, we also would disobey God EVENTUALLY.  So you and I or anyone else are no different than Adam or Eve. If you were put into the garden, you also would sin EVENTUALLY and we all would be in the same mess – or do you think you’re PERFECT and would NEVER break ANY of God’s rules?

Also, Christian philosophy I think teaches that the contract was with Adam, not Eve, so it was Adam’s sin, not necessarily Eve’s, that cause the whole world into Sin. But that is another whole barrel of fish that we don’t want to get into here, some real deep stuff.

 

So what you're saying is it's theoretically impossible for a human to not sin. Sinning is an intrinsic part of being human. If that were true, then 1.) Humans do not have free will because we are incapable of not sinning, and 2.) God punishes humans for their innate essence - something humans do not have control over. 

Also, do you literally believe the world stemmed from just two people

Well, I would say that, without the help of God, it is impossible for humans to not sin or even know what sin is. I believe that being true (1) humans do, however, have free will and can accept that God’s teaching which inevitably makes humans POTENTIALLY incapable of sin (read Romans 6), (2) God does punish humans for their innate essence, but humans, with God’s help, can overcome their innate desires, and even if they fail to do so, God will not see them as sinners but children who have made a mistake a will be forgiven if they ask to be.

Yes, I believe the world steamed from two people. For example, I saw a documentary about the American Wild Mustang/Horses and how a small number were brought to America. In just a couple hundred years they number in the millions. Same applies to any other species on earth, including humans. Introduce a small number into a new environment, give it a couple hundred years, and watch the population grow. Humans had many thousands of years to populate the earth, yes, from just two people.