You Don't Necessarily Owe God Anything

[DaRev]

pokoko said:

DaRev said:

Yeah, more religious discussions!

 

I'm sorry, but that makes absolutely no sense at all to me.  God supposedly made man, designed him to fail, then punished all of mankind for that initial failure?  Then said, hey, I FORGIVE you (for doing exactly what I intended you to do) and love you anyway?  Logic says that god is the one at fault.  If you build a skyscraper, KNOWING that it will crumble and fall, you don't get to blame the skyscraper when it does exactly that.  If all of what you say is true, then god screwed us.

If god is all-knowing, then this world is EXACTLY AND TOTALLY of god's making.

Now, if all of that was a set-up, and the goal was to create a race that would go its own way, then I'm cool with that, but if that's the case, then we owe god nothing.  We don't owe it our love, our worship, or our obediance.  God is like the biological father that we've never met and don't really consider our father.  If, on the other hand, god is still active in our lives, as a lot of people believe, and he's out there doing his "mysterious ways" deal, giving people cancer and multiple sclerosis, and enacting "god's plan", which apparantly involves genocide, famine, and war, then god is a pretentious jerkface that I wish would just go away.  

I don't think very highly of god as a person, to be honest.

This kind of thing always reminds me of one of my favorite songs, "Tomorrow, Wendy".  It's about a girl with AIDS who decides to take matters into her own hands.

"I told the priest
Don't count on any second coming
God got his *** kicked the first time
He came down here slumming.
He had the balls to come
The gall to die and then forgive us
No I don't wonder why I wonder what
He thought it would get us
Yeah, goodbye tomorrow Wendy is going to die.

Only God says jump
But I set the time
'cause if he ever saw it
It was through these eyes of mine
And if he ever suffered
It was me who did his crying
Yeah goodbye
Tomorrow Wendy is going to die."

Firstly, God designed MAN perfectly and without any flaws (and certainly not designed to fail), but with the freedom of CHOICE to love or not to love him, God who created man. If you’re saying that MAN’s freedom of choice to love is a flaw then, you don’t understand LOVE. I assume then the you would prefer that God created you without the FLAW of freedom of choice to love him or not?

Secondly, God doesn’t give people anything bad, like diseases. Bad things are a result of a world we live in because MAN decide to sin. The same way God does not get people fired from their job, or cause a plane crash – that is just the world we live in. God, however, is saying to us, look, if I leave you up to your own devices you will have a world of pain and misery aka SIN, but if you tell me that you want my help, then I will help you and give you a new life and a new world where there is no SIN.  

As for “Tomorrow, Wendy”, again that is the world we live in (and God did not give Wendy Aids). God however promises Wendy and every other person, that he will fix our bodies and our world by giving us new ones, but we first need to make the CHOICE to believe that he can and will do that. People, like Wendy always see themselves as victims (which migh be true) but they only see life from that perspective. God tries to get us as took at life from the perspective of us being his children as must as Jesus was. So not because you're child sins, or has aids or some other life problem means that God doesn't love them. Not everyone that has aids, for example, or a tough life wants to kill themselves or see themselves as a victim.