| Immortal said: @Jay520 Remember that one of the premises of this argument is that life is objectively wonderful. That's what I've been saying all this time. If you disagree with that, there's nothing more to be discussed, really. Also, I disagree with you on the "I didn't want this gift so I shouldn't have to appreciate it" idea as well. For example, I'm sure you know that most people don't always enjoy school. Lots of us don't actually wanna be here. If you'll notice, though, we're always told to appreciate it nevertheless because there'll always be some kid in a developing country whom you can compare yourself to who doesn't have this opportunity. Even if I hate school, it is considered objectively good for me and I should be thankful for it. Or at least that's what's generally agreed. The same thing goes for life. So even if it resembles the mafia, this logic stands. |
Arguments consist of validating & invalidating premises, so my point is relevant. If there are people that do not believe life is the most wonderful thing, then that's proof that life is not objectively the most wonderful thing. Because people have different ideas of what's the most wonderful thing, life is subjectively (not objectively) the most wonderful thing, making your premise flawed, thus making your conclusion flawed as well.
I don't think that's a good analogy. Your basis for appreciating school is the fact that they could have a worse alternative - living in a third world country. They aren't in a third world country and they should be appreciative of that. That makes sense, however, this doesn't apply to life. Your basis for appreciating life is the fact that they could have a worse alternative- death. This does not make sense because the people that don't appreciate life WANT death. So why should they be appreciative of lacking something that they desire?
