You Don't Necessarily Owe God Anything

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DaRev said:

Yeah, more religious discussions!

@ Jay and THE1

(1) Remember that God created a PERFECT world, for example, where there was no Sin or death, the lions didn't even bite the zebras.
(2) Remember that, according to the bible, it was MAN that chose to disobey God’s rule for living in the PERFECT world. The consequence of which was an IMPERFECT world – which I think the OP is complaining about living in, rather than the former PERFECT world.
(3) Remember that, it is because of God’s LOVE that he didn’t scrap this IMPERFECT world after MAN screwed up. Instead, God has given us a way to get back to the PERFECT world, but we first have recognize, or as the OP is stating, thank him for his LOVE for helping us out.

So what we are thanking God for, among other things, is for LOVING us even though we screwed up his PERFECT world (which he knew we would), and still giving us the opportunity to live in a PERFECT world after this one.

Committing suicide says to God that you don’t accept his gift of LOVE and a PERFECT world – but that is entirely one’s own choice to do so, God still will love you regardless of your choice.

I'm sorry, but that makes absolutely no sense at all to me.  God supposedly made man, designed him to fail, then punished all of mankind for that initial failure?  Then said, hey, I FORGIVE you (for doing exactly what I intended you to do) and love you anyway?  Logic says that god is the one at fault.  If you build a skyscraper, KNOWING that it will crumble and fall, you don't get to blame the skyscraper when it does exactly that.  If all of what you say is true, then god screwed us.

If god is all-knowing, then this world is EXACTLY AND TOTALLY of god's making.

Now, if all of that was a set-up, and the goal was to create a race that would go its own way, then I'm cool with that, but if that's the case, then we owe god nothing.  We don't owe it our love, our worship, or our obediance.  God is like the biological father that we've never met and don't really consider our father.  If, on the other hand, god is still active in our lives, as a lot of people believe, and he's out there doing his "mysterious ways" deal, giving people cancer and multiple sclerosis, and enacting "god's plan", which apparantly involves genocide, famine, and war, then god is a pretentious jerkface that I wish would just go away.  

I don't think very highly of god as a person, to be honest.

This kind of thing always reminds me of one of my favorite songs, "Tomorrow, Wendy".  It's about a girl with AIDS who decides to take matters into her own hands.

"I told the priest
Don't count on any second coming
God got his *** kicked the first time
He came down here slumming.
He had the balls to come
The gall to die and then forgive us
No I don't wonder why I wonder what
He thought it would get us
Yeah, goodbye tomorrow Wendy is going to die.

Only God says jump
But I set the time
'cause if he ever saw it
It was through these eyes of mine
And if he ever suffered
It was me who did his crying
Yeah goodbye
Tomorrow Wendy is going to die."