bluesinG said:
killerzX said:
bluesinG said:
killerzX said:
that is an astonishingly arbitrary definition you have of what a human is.
i know what a fetus is, just as i know what a adult is. but what you are esentially saying is, im not a human, im an adult.
fetus= unborn baby human
baby= new born human
teen= young human
etc.
all human, all deserve to live.
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Have you watched a woman give birth, and then watched the baby take their first breath and open their eyes for the first time? I have, and I can tell you that those moments represent a *huge* change.
Having witnessed that change, I believe that an unborn fetus is still a person-in-the-making, and that a born child is a person. I can understand how others might believe that personhood is achieved earlier, but I cannot understand how someone can believe that birth is just an "arbitrary" moment. It is a truly miraculous moment, and it's a huge change. Please tell me you understand that.
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yes birth is miraculous, so is the child.
but you view is completely illogical.
baby exiting the birth canal, 1 millisecond away from being born = not human. therefore can be terminated, and discarded.
baby half way exits the birth-canal with head portruding = not human? half human? can be terminated and discarded.
baby has been born but hasnt taken its first breath and/or opened its eyes = ????
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I'm glad we agree that birth is miraculous. Having watched my daughter's birth, I believe those moments are when she changed from a person-in-the-making to a person.
Have you watched a child's birth?
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I'm assuming that your silence means you have never actually witnessed a birth.
In that case, allow me to make a prediction: After you watch the birth of your first child, you will no longer feel that the distinction between before birth and after birth is "arbitrary". You will think that it is a big change.
I don't expect you to suddenly think that change represents the transition to personhood, but I hope you will understand how some pople (like me) can believe that it does.
