Microsoft screwed up with the Surface tablet...

[selnor]

disolitude said:

selnor said:
mmmmm. It would seem theres different people out there with different markets in mind.

Firstly, Im no longer interested in any desktop mode at all. I want a device that I can use easily to take to a friends house. Use the web. Connect a printer. Watch Videos. Links with WP8 ( which surface RT has exactly the same Windows arcitecture hence the double apps incoming ) and talks to Xbox.

Also it has full Microsoft Office 2013 Home and Student Edition. Which I can use to print letters, CV's, etc. Use excel to monitor a business or make spreadsheets which I can take wit me and print anywhere. Etc.

The fact that its priced at the same price as an Ipad is amazing. As all reviews say its far more functional than an Ipad and is more like a PC in its uses.

As far as apps are concerned WP8 and Surface RT both start from scratch. As niether share any Windows architecture from WP7 or Windows 7. A move Microsoft had to make to improve the underlying performances of the OS's. Now any app made for Windows 8 sares identical architecture to WP8, meaning more than likely more apps will be available as theres a larger pool of consumers. Lets face it Windows 7 on PC's didnt have apps. Only phones.

Now they can share them.

On the subject of passing by the wayside. Surface RT is sold out on preorders. Its selling well and hasnt even released.

Also unlike Android and Ipad according to reviews Surface RT also contains more ports than any other tablet. Shipping with a fullsized USB 2.0 port, Headphone jack and Micro HDMI port.

Concerning the performance of RT ARM arcitecture it would seem its a small issue regarding apps. Wich Microsoft claim is fixed and the update rolls out in a couple of weeks. Likely before I get mine. As far as the speed of OS tis review had this to say.

"The Surface pushes Windows 8's general interface along smoothly, and the architecture lets it function like the iPad or smartphones. It boots up in under 30 seconds, resumes from sleep in under three seconds, and lasts nearly nine hours on a charge when playing video. (I got considerably less battery life when just using it to write and surf the web). This isn't like the PCs you have come to know; there's no time to get a cup of coffee as it boots or the need to drag a clunky charger everywhere."

Any issue regarding apps available Microsoft say as of October 26 they will allow the apps waiting to release on the store. They have held all back for release day. As Windows 8 passes 2,3 and 400 million copies sold in the first year App devs wont be able to ignore the massive userbase. A userbase that dwarfs Iphone and Ipad. The fact is even desktop PC's will be able to access Apps.

All you are doing here is marginalizing all of the gazillion weakneses that Win RT has while hyping the few advantages it has and pretending that is all consumers will be interested in. People are preordering it because it looks cool, but they have no clue what they will end up with.  This may hurt Microsoft in the long run actually.

As someone who has had a true Windows 8 tablet for a while(Acer W500), it somewhat pisses me off to see these reviewers bitch about how laggy the Win RT is, how there are no apps, how borwsing chugs and flash runs like crap. Windows 8 running on the lowest specd x86 processor has none of these issues...

In the current apps state one would have to be completely bonkers to get Surface over the iPad if all they want to do is browse and consume content. I was playing Call of Duty 4 and Portal 2 on my Acer W500 Win 8 tablet few months back which the iPad can not do. Sadly I cant play any of my game catalog on RT and have to purchase games from scratch. I can also forget about emulators.  Even spec wise, the iPad 4 with its A6X processor absolutely destroys the Surface and its Tegra 3.

But you say there is productivity which you can do with the Surface but not the iPad... Lets look at that.

The Office 2013 that is included you speak of...well it's missing key features like macros. Also you are not allowed LEGALLY to use it in a corporate environment. Consumer use only. Read the license agreement... So technically I can't even use it for work. And I can't install the awesome Office 2007 on it which I purcahsed for 200 bucks 3 years ago.  Moving on about productivity, it is very fussy when it comes to printing. HP and Dell announced that over 50% of their printers will not work with Win RT. 

Im sorry, but this is not a productivity device.

Lastly no one seems to understand why Windows RT exists. Windows 8 running on an Atom processor does everything Win RT does but better and has legacy support, similar battery life and costs the same (Asus and Acer are charging 499 for their Win 8 x86 Atom tablets).

Honestly there are more holes in Microsofts current Surface strategy than Swiss cheese. What they should have done is released an x86 based Surface first. $500 bucks for Atom $899 for i5. Then 6 months later when apps are there, they should have released a Win RT ARM based Surface...

That or never bother making Win RT in the first place.

Everything you state as a bad thing means absolutely nothing to me. 

 

Lets look at this. You say Surface RT has no point.

 

Surface RT is a direct competitor to Ipad. 

Ipad, connects to no PC printer. Does not include Microsoft Office 2013. Does not support flash. Slows down considerably wen several apps are open. Cannot do multitasking in its true form. Cannot have crossover apps with Iphone. 

Yet costs the same. Ipad also needs adapters just to use a universally accepted USB port. It also has no HDMI out.

Now the surface RT is aimed at people who want what an Ipad offers but can do more than an Ipad.

Now if your not that customer fine. But people like me thats all I want and is perfect. And of course people will use Office at work. Who the hell is ever going to know. Been doing it for years.

Now Surface Pro sounds like more your thing. I couldnt give 2 beeps about 2007 office, 50 % of printers etc. Id buy or use what does work. As you care Im sure other models will be in your scope.

 

But as the preorder figures show and yes I know exactly what Im buying, People want an Ipad experience but more intuitive and involving.

Those people are me.

Let me just confirm.

I dont want the old desktop. Dont want it. Im finished with it. Dont care.

I dont want to be able to play some uber PC game, cange my GFX card etc etc. 

I want Metro, same apps, Office 2013, the ability to connect it to a printer of my choice that I'll buy. Still have a keyboard for when I need it and best of all crossover apps with WP8. 

Really looking forward to seeing apps that WP8 and Windows 8 apps wit the new architecture. Apparantly theres 60,000 apps launching tommorrow? In 1 day. I guess we'll see via Youtube. 

But I predict by Xmas 2014 Windows has more apps than any OS. And Metro apps will finally be te first coice for devs. Metro apps are so much better than the old IOS apps.