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phenom08 on 24 October 2012
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theprof00 said:
phenom08 said:
theprof00 said:
 

Yes, that is funny, because if your original point is still intact, that consoles need third party support to be successful, then PSP is really the WORST supporting evidence you can use as it was still creamed by the DS.

You now say "You think a system doesn't need big exclusive games. Let me think the opposite". I'm glad that you've now reversed your position on the exclusive games to now include first party sales.

Maintainance: Again, this is a very time-sensitive thread commenting on a lack of announcements bar the next six months during which many of the games have been pushed to pre-Christmas, and the next 3 months have some very nice first party, and despite your opinion on them, ports with expanded content.
Ports? Look at persona 4 the golden in Japan, a port. Increased vita sales from 14k to 33k, and has nearly 100k preorders in the USA while still a month out.

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Persona 4: The Golden (PSV)
Atlus, Role-Playing
2 3,045 88,604
       

Your metrics are baseless in this whole point.

Most of your point rests on this idea:

PSP had 3pexclusives, ds did not, sales were 30 v 70%
Now, vita doesn't have 3pexclusives announced for the next 6 months, 3ds does, sales will deteriorate.

That is absolutely the wrong way to look at it because the most important thing to a console is THE GAMES. Not specifically who makes them. PSP just so happened to have some VERY GOOD 3pexclusive games, but 3ds still really doesn't, even though it has more 3pexclusives. Again, you are taking a random metric of what you consider to be a defining necessity, and basing all your assumptions of that incorrect assessment.

To make it simple for you yet again, your metric is wrong because we haev historical evidence showing that consoles do not rely or require 3rd party exclusives to be successful. What is most important is the game library and the value of the system. Both of these requirements show in the 3ds, all of them show in the 360, ps3, and wii, and the psp, the one console that actually supports your viewpoint gameswise (needing 3rd party support) is not supported by it's own sales. Yes psp would have failed without good third party support, but it doesn't prove that a console needs 3rd party support to be successful. Period.

When you include stuff like this, its easy to just ignore what you have to say. Everything else I agree with.

I get caught up in exaggeration sometimes. Oop, it seems I didn't clarify something else though. Let me do that now.

psp had some very good 3pexclusives that helped them stay in the game. 3DS still doesn't really have the quality of third party exclusive games that PSP had, but they still have more third party exclusive games than VITA does currently. My point here was that third party exclusives aren't what keeps a system competitive, citing that psp is an exception because its third party was strikingly good, while supporting my statement by saying that 3ds has more 3pexclusives than vita, though it's not those games that are selling the systems.

I agree with some of what you are saying but there are things you are ignoring. PS1, PS2, and PSP all benefited greatly from 3rd party exclusives. Timed exclusives count as well because not many people are going to wait a year for one game when they can already pick it up on another platform. We have seen what happens when Sony doesn't have many 3rd party exclusives (PS3, Vita). PS3 worked thanks to Sony supporting it with 1st party titles, it still sold far less than PS1 and PS2 though. Vita, well Vita is the Vita. The point is, you support a company that's been relying on 3rd party support for a while, and now we see what happens to Sony platforms without much 3rd party support like the Wii.

Edit: P.S. You are both right, platforms don't need 3rd party exclusives as long as they have enough first party exclusives. When it comes to Sony though, they usually used 3rd party exclusives to dominate. I don't know if Sony's first party is enough to support both though. One of them (PS3 and Vita) can survive with Sony's attention while the other may need 3rd parties. Sony focusing more on PS3 is definitely a better decision than focusing on Vita if one of them has to go.