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JWeinCom on 22 October 2012
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Jay520 said:
JWeinCom said:

My point is that people can see through skin deep similarities.  Mario and Little Big Planet are in the same genre, but people recognize that they're still very different games with very little in common.  So it's not as though Nintendo fans just pounce on anything remotely similar to a Nintendo franchise.  

With PASBR there are a whole mess of similarities.  Same control scheme?  Check.  Aside from a couple of minor differences, the control scheme migrated over from Smash.  Even directional throws and airdodges made the transition.  We still have universal double jumping and rolling as well.  It's as if Mortal Kombat 5 would have included focus attacks.  Aesthetics are shockingly similar considering Sony's different lineage, down to the menus and HUD.  

Aside from the method by which you KO opponents, what are the differences between Smash Bros Battle Royale and Smash? 


Control schemes, menus, aesthetics, etc are all superficial similarities imo. It's like saying Battlefield is a clone of Call of Duty. Or that Forza is a clone of Gran Turismo. Sure they look very similar, and the controls are similar, but it's not until you play it do you notice how differently the games actually are.

I haven't really been keeping up with the game, so I can't say how it's different. From what I've seen, it is similar, but to call it a clone is premature at this point.


I don't think a control scheme is a superficial difference, particularly in regards to a game like Smash which featured a control scheme that diverged very heavily from other games in the genre.  When you get into such specifics like rolling and airdodging, you're crossing the line.  From what I've seen and played, I'm very comfortable calling it a clone.  But once you've actually played it, feel free to let me know what the differences are.

o_O.Q said:

JWeinCom said:
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miz1q2w3e said:
So what if it is? Why do people think that's such a bad thing?


I think most people would agree that profiting off of the works of others is a bad thing.  Even if you're not talking about moral implications, it's worse for gamers.  Games that break the mold, challenge conventions, and change things up advance their respective genres.  Something like Heavy Rain or Shadow of the Colossus moves the industry forward while something like PASBR stagnates.

 

why aren't you criticising nintendo for releasing super mario bros u, pikmin 3 etc?

i'd think that if you were so concerned over the lack of new ideas in gaming you'd be far more critical of what nintendo has been doing 

how many actual new ips has nintendo themselves been developing for launch window in comparison to old ( imo overused ) ips?

Are you seriously trying to complain that Nintendo is creating the third entry in an original franchise like Pikmin in about ten years?

But anyway, this is a strawman argument, and I'm not going to respond to it.  If you'd like to debate about Nintendo's overall IP development, you could make another topic for that, and I'll be glad to discuss it there.  But, this topic is about PASBR, and my comments were about PASBR, so lets focus on that.

@Chark-  Copyright infringement is a very tricky thing.  Just because something isn't actionable doesn't mean its not a rip off.  And what mascot brawlers were similar to Smash Bros? We're not complaining that Sony is making a mascot brawler.  The complaint is that Sony made a game that is incredibly similar to Smash Bros and blatantly takes ideas.

o_O.Q said:

all i'm saying is that this statement by you seems rather hypocritical when this is the only game you reffer to, even though there are several that fit this criteria

"Games that break the mold, challenge conventions, and change things up advance their respective genres."

you seem so passionate about the issue that i'd have expected you to pull your hair out of your head when games like the ones i mentioned were announced

yet not a peep... why is that?

 

Not a peep about those games?  Well, maybe that's because this was a topic made about Playstation All Stars Battle Royale?  Do I go around posting about PASBR in topics that have nothing to do with the game?  No.  So why exactly would I want to discuss Pikmin 3 in a topic about PASBR?

Again, this is a straw man argument, and I'm not going to address it.  You've basically ascribed positions to me that I never claimed to hold.  This topic is about PASBR and whether or not it is a rip off/clone/ whatever.  My quote was in regards to whether or not PASBR being a rip off is a good or a bad thing, and you're trying to deflect that issue by turning things into an argument about Nintendo's originality.  As I said, if you want to talk about Nintendo's originality, make a separate topic, and I'll be happy to discuss the matter in that topic.  This one is about PASBR.  If you want to talk about PASBR, go for it.  If not, then feel free to make another topic to discuss what you do want to talk about.