Final-Fan said:
FunKrusher said:
Auron said:
FunKrusher said:
Auron said:
Omac said:
darthdevidem01 said:
@Funkrusher
HALO 3 appeals to a WIDER Demographic than GT5 & FFXIII
WHAT BS!
GT series has never sold below 9 million (peaking at 15 million) & FF never below 5 million (peaking at 10 million)
It's quite obvious GT as a series is bigger than Halo...now |
You smoking crack? |
And you are too big of a Halo fanboy to realise that he is right. Numbers don't lie, back under your bridge troll. |
I love when you say something and someone calls you a fanboy not knowing anything about you or your background. Hey genuis' I don't even like HALO. I'm into COD4 though if you must know. So there's something you just learned about me. See the problem with the internet is you try and being insulting or funny. And sure it may come off as funny or insulting to you or your e-flunky followers. But an insult without claim or merit to back it isn't at insult it's just ignorance. There you go you just learned something else. I'm giving out gold stars if you can apply and use this knowledge correctly next time. But back to the matter on hand it was ignorant on my part to put that up there with out checking actual numbers and sales data, and doing all that cool internet tech savy you guys do. My bad. I will infact retract that statement. But assuming you read (because it's apparent you didn't comprehend what was written). I was saying that these franchise WILL NOT CAUSE A HUGE SPIKE IN SALES FOR THE PS3 TO MAKE IT CATIPULT FROM 7million to 17MILLION SYSTEMS SOLD UPON THEIR RELEASE. I put it in bold for you. Take some time read it and digest it. And I stand buy that. The numbers you guys listed were on a system that had what? Over 100million users as a fanbase? Okay maybe not that much over their first releases but the Ps2 at the time of FFX-XII and MGS3 and GTA3-4 clearly had more than 20 million users.So let's apply those numbers here? Are those the current Sales-TO-Life date? Cool let's use them to help me make my point. if I'm looking at the numbers for those past games. And looking at the install numbers for the Ps3 NOW (in bold again for the comprehensively challenged). That means in order for any of those games on their release to sell those numbers EVERYONE (in bold again) who owns a Ps3 will be buying those games.Now sure that can happen? But the probability of it happening? You do the math.So I've spelled it out for you. I could make a witty comment about you guys being too much of Ps3 fanboys to have read and comprehended this or my previous post. But I'll let what I just posted speak for itself.Go ahead refute that. And please feel free to ad more nonsensical witty, attempt at hurting e-feelings comments. I need a few more laughs. Time is yours. |
What is this your alt account or did you think i was talking to you when my comments are towards Omac and not you. If this is your alt nice to know that you troll on at least two accounts. How about you find something better to do with your time? Now you talk about the PS3 numbers now well GT is not coming out NOW is it? Next GT didn't sell that amount in one day but over the generation. Now if you are Omac then my comments stand. If you are not well then i guess you can join him under the bridge. |
Hey genius! Yeah I thought those comments were directed towards me. Being I was the one that initially said that HALO 3 has a higher casual install base than those franchises. And read your comments and others comments labelling me a Halo3 fanboy. Wow you're telling me that I can go hide under a bridge implying I'm a troll? Wait so backing up your arguement or any arguement in a detailed thought out manner explaining your views with no hints of fanboyism at all makes you a troll!?!?!?! Actually I will personally fly to where ever you are and hand you 10k in USD cash if you can find ANY fanboyism in the previous post that I have written (examples: saying another system sucks or is clearly showing an irrational bias towards one system or not). Okay, I think we need to make a petition for people who have reading and comprehension problems. We need to get the kids the help they need. It'll help them out in the grand scheme of things. You're so quick to come off on here and make yourself pretty much look like a donkey's arse with no claim what-so-ever or foundation to stand on. Dude if you actually read and COMPREHENDED what I said, I already made your point that THOSE WERE LIFETIME SALES TO THOSE GAMES. I already talked about how THERE'S NO WAY TO TELL WHAT THE INSTALL BASE WILL BE WHEN THEY COME OUT. And in trying to be comedian you just made my point so if those are lifetime sales on a system that has 100million+ User base. And most of those games Have 6million LIFETIME SALES.
That means 6% OF THE INSTALL BASE OF THE SYSTEM HAS BOUGHT THOSE GAMES. But that wasn't my point. We'll get back to this let's just call it POINT A.
The main point being which was I (as in me not your e-nemesis or whoever else you were talking to). Was *drum roll*
THOSE GAMES WILL NOT CAUSE THE PS3 TO GAIN A CRAZY SALES SPIKE AND JUMP FROM 7MILLION to 17 MILLION.
So let's break this down before you once again fail to read and PROCESS (ie: COMPREHEND) actually what's being said here.Space provided to help you maybe understand better. 1. None of those games on the list THE ONE YOU PROVIDED have sold 10million + in their lifetime2. To date there are roughly 7 million Ps3s that are out in the world with that number increasing even as we speak3. If any of those titles are made available within the next 1-2 years (which we ASSUME they will be). and we Project that the Ps3 sells another 3million hell let's say 4 million systems in that time frame. That would put it's install base at 11million total.
4. That means in order for the Ps3 to at least sell on the level at the 360 (and we're assuming that that stops selling largely as well. Let's give the 360 a install base of 19 million. Leaving an 8 million gap)5. Refering to POINT A (if only 6% of 11million user base games buy those games. all based on the performance that they have shown in the past) that means they will sell 660,000k I REPEAT FOR THE COMPRHENSIVELY CHALLENGED 660,000k.All this information is taken directly from things you've posted and implied. Now I've laid it all out for you. Very simple to follow. It's up to you to do the rest.
Now of course this all just speculation and who's to say what could happen. But like I said originallyTHOSE GAMES WILL NOT CAUSE THE PS3 SALES TO SPIKE FROM 9 MILLION TO 17-18 MILLION IN A YEAR, OR EVEN 2-3 YEARS. Well probably in 2 years it could actually.Even if it did 6% of let's say 18 MILLION is ONLY 1.08 MILLION.Now just for farts and laughs we could make the arguement that HALO3 with 5million sold on a system with 16 million install base has sold to 30% of the EXISTING USER BASE. I'm no mathematician but 30% is a lot higher than 6%. These are actual RIGHT NOW NUMBERS. But you probably already knew that, being that you're a genius and all. And according to your "non-fanboy" inspired post you said that those franchises selling 6million lifetime totals on a system that has 100million+ users, have a bigger user bases than Halo3 RIGHT NOW (YOUR EXACT WORDS) selling 5million total to date sales on a system with 16 million users. I'd say we need to get you some math lessons too.Hey genius maybe instead of spending so much time on here you need to get yourself over to www.hookedonphonics.com and try some READING & COMPREHENSION exercises.It'll save you the embarassment of not knowing what it is your talking about when you're trying to throw insults around.I'm backing up my arguements with math, logic, data (some which you yourself provided) and presenting.How about you?So who's the fanboy again? And for the record I don't like Halo, I prefer COD4 |
Do we still get the $10,000 if we find fanboyism in THIS post? (Irrational bias against a system)
1. None of those games on the list THE ONE YOU PROVIDED have sold 10million + in their lifetime
Games listed: GT series, FF series
Gran Turismo: 10.85m
Gran Turismo 3: A-Spec: 14.87m
Gran Turismo 4 (Including GT4 Prologue): 10.23m
Final Fantasy VII (Including FFVII International): 10.31m
So, lies or ignorance. Since you later use another user's 10m+ numbers without complaint, I'll let you claim ignorance.
2. To date there are roughly 7 million Ps3s that are out in the world with that number increasing even as we speak
VGChartz front page: 9.76m
Since you later claim ignorance as to this fact, I'm going to be charitable and call you an idiot.
3. If any of those titles are made available within the next 1-2 years (which we ASSUME they will be). and we Project that the Ps3 sells another 3million hell let's say 4 million systems in that time frame. That would put it's install base at 11million total.
Let's be charitable and change this prediction to "4m in one year". You are predicting something like a 50%
drop in sales from 2007. That is unrealistically bad. To the point of lies or ignorance.
4. That means in order for the Ps3 to at least sell on the level at the 360 (and we're assuming that that stops selling largely as well. Let's give the 360 a install base of 19 million. Leaving an 8 million gap)
To be fair, you also say that 360 sales will die as well, which is also stupid.
5. Referring to POINT A (if only 6% of 11million user base games guy those games. all based on the performance that they have shown in the past) that means they will sell 660,000k
I REPEAT FOR THE COMPREHENSIVELY CHALLENGED 660,000k.
From "POINT A": And most of those games Have 6million LIFETIME SALES.
Sales of the named series on 100m+ selling systems:
Gran Turismo: GT-10.85, GT2-9.37, GT3AS-14.87, GT4-8.87 or 10.23 including Prologue Hmm, I see a pattern here. That pattern is ABOVE 9 MILLION IN SALES.
Final Fantasy: VII-10.31, VIII-7.86, IX-7.91, X-7.91 or 8.22 including International, X-2-5.21, XI doesn't count, XII-7.93 The pattern here is ALMOST 8 MILLION IN SALES.
So, lies or ignorance.
: : Your point about the smaller user base is at least BASED on reality, but you ignore two things, the first one being that the userbase will also increase over time, making your "6% of 11m at launch" invalid not only in the 6% and the 11m but also in the "at launch" UNLESS you compare it to the previous games versus userbase at game launch. For instance, FFX's would be 11-27m PS2s at launch due to staggered game launch. I would not say this kind of comparison is very useful (FF lifetime sales seem to ignore at-game-launch userbase quite nicely) but it's better than just IGNORING it. Or are you only interested in what the games will sell in their first year, in which case: Why the hell are you discussing lifetime sales at all; and Of course Halo wins but that's 'cause it's so frontloaded.
: : The second thing your point ignores is that it is a well-known fact that games on less-successful systems have sales that are higher in proportion to userbase. This is because the more-successful systems (PS1, PS2, Wii) are the "big tent" system that draws in all (or most) kinds of gamers while the less-successful systems have to fall back on their core constituencies. If there are 5 types of games being made for 5 types of gamers on 5 million systems, they are going to have lower attach rates (say 20%) than 2 types of games made for 2 types or gamers on 2 million systems (say 50%). This is why few are predicting (5.91/21.51=27.5) 41 million Galaxy sales even if the Wii reaches 150 million.
In short: You either don't have a good grasp at all on the subject you are lecturing others on [edit: among other things, you were wrong on almost every sales figure you mentioned] and insulting them for not understanding, or are consciously or subconsciously biasing your analysis to make the PS3 look bad. Do I win the prize?
P.S. On the other hand, "660,000k" -- or 6.6 million -- isn't a bad prediction for lifetime GT5 sales considering the lower PS3 user base. |
I'll answer you as well because you seem to have trouble reading and comprehending as well.
For one I love how you go five posts back and pull up things that I myself admit to not having concrete actuals on. But we'll deal directly with that.
To answer your first question. No you don't get the 10k because there was no irrational fanboyism in any of those post. Again I'll challenge you to find in any of those post where I said that any of those games sucked, or where better than the others based purely on bias or the system they were on? Or take it one further and find where the gist of what I was saying is clearly way off the mark because of an obvious vendetta or personal dislike for ANY of those games?
I'll save you some time because I didn't. Dealing with what I did do in my post after admitting my mistakes was, I took the numbers that were provided to me on a point that I wasn't even trying to argue (which I clearly said numerous times) and basically came up with cold hard numbers as to which Franchise was selling better to it's user base. I'm not trying to school anyone, but I do wish the reading and comprehensive levels matched the self assuredness of you people coming out of the woodwork to shoot down baseless assumptions.
So no there was no irrational fanboyism. Was there ignorance in terms of the actual numbers? Sure I'll give you that. But you'll have to excuse me if for the sake of arguing on a message board, in some what of a light discusion topic, if searching for actual numbers, compiling and crunching them escape me. I graduated college years ago. I'm not into homework anymore. My bad, I have numerous hobbies and doing homework for the sake of arguing isn't one of them.
But I'll admit when I first started listing numbers they weren't based on actuals. That is why I used words like roughly and phrases like: I'm not exactly sure. My guess is you were so primed to call me an idiot that you might have missed those?
Let's just jump to point #3 since I've pretty much addressed 1 and 2. So you alone can determine that a prediction is good or bad? Wow I didn't know that your personal opinion and prefrential judgement carried that much wait over what you yourself admitted was MY PREDICTION. That's like me telling you you're stupid and wrong for thinking the sky is light blue, instead of regular blue. Would I be right or wrong to tell you what you think about what you see or think? Come on unless you're in primary school, you should be able to see where I'm going with that. But on second thought since I seem to need to spell out things for you comprehensively challenged people I will. Different strokes for different folks, meaning we all think and have our own opinions on different things based on our personal experiences
But I'll apologize again for not living in your version of reality, where my personal thoughts are parallel to your presonal thoughts and predictions, deeming them lies, stupid, and ignorant. My bad, again.
For point #4 see the above paragraph.
For your final point you touch up on the install base for a game earlier in a systems life cycle vs. install base at the end of the systems life cycle and it's relations for initial games sold and finite total games sold. You also ask me why I'm arguing this point? Once again I guess in your quest to go back a couple pages to one of my initial post. You missed the part where hello217 responded to my claim of thinking that Halo has a more casual user base than GT.
Now if you had read any of the post after the one you so strategically tried to rip apart, all which are on this ver page. You'll see that I covered many of those things you're talking about before you typed them.
But I'll give you a brief synopsis since you obviously missed it. I took the numbers that were given to me (which I presume to be correct as they were provided by the person who was telling me I was wrong) and did the precentage of what GT had sold on Ps2 on avg. to date and also the total franchise. In relaltion to what Halo had sold on avg. to date on the xbox and also the franchise avg. for Halo 1&2 also on xbox (since we can't compare GT5 to Halo3 yet to be fair)
I came up with a the percentage of how many people on the respective systems purchased the game and used that number to illuminate the fact that Halo has a higher rate of ownership than GT. To which led to the conclusion that if we're going to say a franchise based purely on numbers (which once again were provided for me by the person starting the arguement with me) that Halos % numbers are higher than GT and that's being on a system with far less of an install base.
Now you tried to slightly snake this in reference to my older post which you responded to by saying Halo is front loaded and blah, blah, blah, yada, yada, yada. A sale, is a sale, is a sale, is a sale. I'm not going to say or argue anything more than that.
So in closing you don't seem to have a grasp on reading and comprehending either. Instead of being quick to throw around secondary lunchroom buzzwords like, ignorance lies, stupid, or try and label someone a fanboy. Maybe you should've scrolled down and read more?
And in the end I find it comical how you go back 5 post and try to make a point that was
1. rendered totally irrelevant because I myself admit my numbers were based purely on blind speculation.
2. even if they were wrong were based on speculation as in not actuals or a bid saying THIS IS WHAT WILL HAPPEN. or THIS IS A FACT (I felt the need to re-enforce the speculation bit because you seem to need it spelled out for you).
3. Use that over sight on my part as way to try and label me a fanboy
4. Totally discount my speculation (as in not an actuality or fact just an uneducated gues) based on your obvious superior knowledge of analyzation and predictions. Which hold far more weight than mine, which is why your trying to school me on the internet in a forum, when I had not one thing to say or gripe to pick with you.
In short I do have a good grasp of what I was doing which was (once again I'll space it out for you):
TAKING THE NUMBERS THAT WERE PROVIDED TO ME. BY THE PERSON WHO STARTED THE ARGUEMENT WITH ME. AND SHOWING SAID PERSON THAT THEY DO NOT SUPPORT THE CLAIM MADE.
So no you sir or ma'am do not get the 10k. And I hope I've answered all your questions to the best possible way that you wanted to see them answered. I'll apologize if I didn't being that I don't live in that world where my thoughts speculations run parallel with yours and all. But again, I hope this gives you some clarification.
