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richardhutnik on 19 October 2012
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Kasz216 said:
noname2200 said:
Kasz216 said:
twesterm said:

 Of course I ask this fully realizing these are probably the same people that only donate for tax breaks.


Nobody donates for tax breaks.

Break in taxes you get for donating is always less then the amount of money you give away.

http://www.thesimpledollar.com/2011/12/18/charity-and-your-tax-bill/

 

This is due to the fact that we have a graduated tax bracket system.

People talking about "Dropping you into a lower tax bracket" are likely people who have never done their own taxes... since we have a graduated tax bracket.

True story: I once had an employee tell me that she seriously considered asking for a lower salary because she didn't want to go to a higher tax bracket.

killerzX said:

the supreme court and the constitution views corporations as groups of people.

What is the basis for your statement that the Constitution views corporations as groups of people?


In that they are a group of people and aren't excluded from the 1st or 14th ammendments.

It's like asking smeone to prove that the consitution views asians as human beings.

 

Problems arise when you start granting personhood to corporations.  The way they are structured, ownership that makes decisions, isn't liable for what the entities they own doing bad things, so there is risks of these entities doing really bad things.   Secondarily, these entities, as they are now, exist independently of anyone in them.  They exist on paper and end up outlasting everyone who is part of them.   For profit corporations also exist for making money as their goal.  Because of this, corporations have properties that do not make them people.  They only have rights because they are granted them by the state, because they exist as state-created entities.  They don't exist in nature, and aren't endowed by God with "certain inalienable rights".

In short, they function differently than a group of people do, who attempt to do things together at a certain point and time.  And on the first amendment, the right to assemble is given to individuals, not groups.  Corporations don't have a right to vote either.

The rights of groups, as far as they go in the Constitution, are merely extensions of rights given to individuals.