A debate, Capitalism Vs Communism

[the2real4mafol]

Marks said:

the2real4mafol said:

Marks said:

Soundwave said:

JoeTheBro said:

This pretty much sums up my opinion on communism(nothing to do with pro/anti obama). As a person with a drive I could not stand living under the control of the government. For me it is 100% hardcore free market capitalism or bust.

But I'm like the girl in the picture building a tower. Many people do however like taking naps and for those people there is nothing wrong with communism. I'm sure many of you would love just hanging around playing games. For example my brother works a minimum wage job so that he can afford high end computers while living in the basement. Communism works perfectly for his life and many others but only when it doesn't leach off other's success.

There's no such thing as 100% "hardcore free market capitalism". 

You have a public police force. Fire fighters. Military. Roads/highway. Education. The water you drink has to be regulated so that its safe to drink. FDA. etc. etc. etc. These are all public utilities basically, they're not magically free. 

Not true. There is not a single thing that could not be effectively privatized. The only thing I want the government in control of are the military and the court system (a neutral party to settle disputes between individuals). But beyond the courts, even the jails could be privatized and the roads to the jail, and the policemen who escort the prisoners to jail and  the guards...etc.

It don't make it right though, some things shouldn't be privatised at all, stuff like healthcare, education, emergency services, jails should not be fully privatised, they should be publically owned. While, other stuff like the media, businesses and banks should remain fully private. An economy shouldn't be fully government or privately owned, a mixed economy is better.

The current public school system is a complete failure though! You must be able to see that. What would you think about privatized schools...but a voucher system and parents can pick the school their kid goes to? That has worked well in test areas, I remember hearing about it being a huge success in parts of Washington DC. 

And I'll grant you that emergency services should remain public. I was only arguing that they could work privately. Police, fire, and ambulance services should remain public. Jails should be contracted out privately I think though. So still public dollars, but done more efficiently as they are private.

And lastly healthcare I STRONGLY disagree that it should be universal. How is it fair that regular people have to pay for the people who are 100 pounds overweight and smoke/drink excessively? Here is a really good comparison on the pros and cons of universal healthcare: http://www.balancedpolitics.org/universal_health_care.htm and IMO the cons WAY outweigh the pros (especially #6, #9 and #14 if you do check that link out)

I heard the US education system was bad but what I mean is that if it has to be private, it should not cost money (Up to 16/ 17 years old at least) to go there. Education is a right, not a privilege. As, people can't afford private schools generally. I guess as a British person, I see it differently. It seems inevitable to talk about the USA in some way.

But, I don't think Jail should be private as it should not be run for profit, I've heard it's alot worse in private jails than state owned ones (not like it matters for criminals anyway).

Finally, I never said that healthcare should be universal, I said it shouldn't be fully private. it's not fair for those who really need healthcare, but can't afford it. I think the USA should have a healthcare service similiar to the NHS in the UK, for those who can't really afford insurance alongside private healthcare for those who can afford it. A mixed system is better