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WiiBox3 on 17 October 2012
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Kantor said:
superchunk said:
Kantor said:

The theory of the genesis of life by the Christian god is entirely false, for one.

With that, many people believe in a series sins that are so bad, you'll go directly to eternal hell and torment as served by a loving and all-compasionate God. One of these sins is homosexuality. So the idea is would you spare your unborn child eternal damnation by aborting "it" very early in the pregnancy given you were clearly able to know 100% that he/she would be gay based on a full understanding of the genome or some other test?

What I've always heard from Christians is that hell isn't literally fire and whipping and torture, it is simply the absence of God in your soul, and you make the decision yourself to keep God out of your soul, so you are the one condemning yourself to torture, not him.

I still don't think this really makes full sense, since being omniscient, He knows exactly what you are going to do anyway and therefore you don't have free will and thus he is the one condemning you to hell, but it seems less monstrous than the whole "disobey God and he burns you for eternity" thing.

Incidentally, I'm fairly sure that Islam condemns homosexuality as sinful as well. Assuming you still identify as Muslim, how do you feel about the matter?


Hell and the lake of fire are two separate things. The lake of fire is only described in Revelations as the place that souls are sent after the spiritual war between the Heaven and Hell. Many Christians either believe the book of Revelations is all metaphors and others believe that it should not have been included in the Bible at all. (IMHO the book of Revelations is the most entertaining book of the Bible and that's why so many American horror stories/movies/books draw heavily from it.)

Because God knows what you are going to do does not mean that you don't have free will. If you know that you are going to get fat if you eat a lot of fried food, but do so anyway does that mean you don't have free will to stop if you continue to eat it? (Sorry bad example) Just because God knows what you are going to do in the future does not mean that you are not making your own choices.

 

@ Superchunk - I don't know where the leaders of those churches decided that there were unforgivable sins, because in the Bible I read it says all sins are forgivable.