A debate, Capitalism Vs Communism

[the2real4mafol]

Kantor said:

the2real4mafol said:

I don't like how Capitalists, especially in America try to brainwash their citizens, with few facts about how bad communism is, it should be up to the citizen which they perfer. It is a bad system, when the environment is concerned, as profit is top dog, you can see this with oil companies who want to drill oil from the Arctic (Arseholes!) 

The thing is, America could never become Communist. You cannot tell a people for two centuries that they are entitled to what they earn, that working hard will make them rich, that the better they are the further they will rise, and then say "nope, sorry, we're going to drag you all back down to the same level now".

Because you can't really force the average person to become superhuman, you force the best among us to conform to mediocrity. In theory, you can still have inequality of ability, but why would anyone of any ability even bother? They will receive no compensation for their efforts, no money, no promotions, no fame, quite likely no recognition. It was all simply achieved "by humanity".

Well, things aren't achieved by humanity. Things are achieved by individuals and groups of people. And we have so far found no incentive for people to excel that works better than money and material gains. Perhaps that's a shame, but that's the way of humanity. Very few people will be willing to work their hardest knowing that they will never receive anything in return.

And that's just ideal communism. Let's not forget the fact that, where capitalism has succeeded and created prosperous nations in the USA and Canada, across Western Europe and now through Eastern Asia, Communism does not have a single success story to its name. Even in its realistic and somewhat bastardised form, capitalism still works. Communism, on the other hand, turns to dictatorship, and oppression, and the seizing of property and the formation of a new ruling class. Can you seriously tell me that Stalin was on equal footing with a Russian peasant? That Fidel Castro has never lived any better than his country's poorest workers? That Kim Jong-Il and Kim Jong-Un have lived lives of humility and never considered themselves superior to the people they lead?

Perhaps another species, on another world, with different values, and an evolution that favoured sacrificing yourself for the greater good, but we have never been like that, and no number of guns pointed at our heads will ever make us like that.

Capitalism has worked in Europe, East asia and America. But it's not working to well right now, and the leaders of these countries seem to have no idea how to fix it. Also, I know Stalin and Kim Jung Un are not on the same level of ordinary people, that is ashame but we in the west can't do anything about it. If communism was practiced by it's theory it would of been more anarchic rather than a dictator (which can form under both systems anyway)