Who won the debate? Biden or Ryan?

[Mr Khan]

HappySqurriel said:

Mr Khan said:

You're going to have to put very heavy qualifiers around the word "survive" or retract that statement.

In what way?

If we narrow down all of human history to the past few hundred years and focus on countries with democratic free market capitalism, how many people died at an unusually young age (relative to their country at that point in time) because they were poor?

In this time frame the chance of starving to death was several orders of magnitude greater due to government involvement (Ukrain, China, North Korea) than due to lack of government involvement.

Which is true, albeit different from the earlier point you were making previously. No-one is debating that central planning was poorly implemented to the point of causing humanitarian disaster, but what i rather meant by qualifying the word "survive" was how the poor generally didn't live very well before the income floors were installed. Yes, you survive, but at what cost?