Who won the debate? Biden or Ryan?

[richardhutnik]

sperrico87 said:

In a nutshell here, your priority is not the sanctity of life, if you advocate gutting a current system that helps people and cannot speak of another alternative to replace it.  You may have a priority of freedom or rewarding the successful, but it isn't life.  Thus, do not bring up mercy and compassion as values, because they aren't there.

I work at a liquor store.  I have a brother who is a carpenter and does contract work for local grocery chains.  Do you really want get into an argument with me about how people on welfare and food stamps cannot help themselves and require our money in order for them to be able to have food on the table?  You don't want to go there.  We'll have to leave it at that.

By the way... obviously Churches (however short-sighted it may be) are proponents of more services and more money being dumped into welfare.  It is their job, so to speak.  The trouble is, they're not the ones paying for it.  Churches are tax exempt. 

Do you seriously want to argue that current economic conditions are such that EVERYONE wanting work can find it, and it pays sufficiently enough that they can afford to live and not be homeless?  Or do you want to pull a Ben Stein and say that almost everyone on food stamps and welfare are shiftless, lazy, and a bunch of good for nothing bums (in short, if there is any suffering ALL these people deserve it, so getting rid of welfare would get rid of the bad folks, and justice would be served):

And churches do say that, as do any other charitable organization, because they don't see where the slack will be picked up, if they are are the levels of stress they are facing now.  But you need to seriously show someone else who advocates the government should totally stay out, who is in the business, or actually show evidence that it would work out.  Well, maybe work out for you is a bunch of beggars on the street.